• Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    Uh huh. 40 years of wage suppression, high unemployment and a mismanaged pandemic later: OMG why is Biden doing this to the American people?!?!

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      11 months ago

      So you think Biden bares no responsibility for his actions ? Pandemic was managed by the states. The blue states did much worse. So you want to stick with it being mismanaged ? Our unemployment has been low for years.

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        11 months ago

        Well I suppose to a supply-sider, unemployment has been perceived as low. Indeed, up to 10% during Reagan, as a result of labor devaluation and deregulation to keep workers desperate and wages low, it’s seen as a good thing. I just happen to disagree.

        As for this claim that blue states did much worse, is there a source for that? And what does that mean, “did much worse”? I can’t find any info on that except a lot of data that shows there were many more COVID deaths in republican counties than democrat ones. I suspect you are handing out one of those famous “alternative facts” that don’t have any connection to reality.

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          11 months ago

          As for this claim that blue states did much worse, is there a source for that? And what does that mean, “did much worse”?

          And that is fair. The economic recovery was quicker in red states. I suspect red counties suffered due to less medical care, less competent care, and lower vaccination rates. You will see the gap in red vs blue goes on long before COVID. Rural areas tend to have fewer hospitals, fewer staff, and a plethora of other issues.

          https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counties-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties/

          https://nypost.com/2022/07/05/red-states-recovered-faster-from-covid-pandemic-than-blue-states-report/

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              11 months ago

              That chart has floated around for years. Read the fine print. It’s meaningless. Social security counts as government spending. Military pay. Etc. of course Texas receives more with the ports, border, large military bases, etc. the red states tend to be better for retirement and that counts as government spending

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                11 months ago

                Read the fine print indeed. You didn’t read any of it. It’s not a chart that has floated around for years, the report is from March 2023. Don’t try to jive me about something you obviously haven’t even looked at. Specifically addressed:

                Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act ($8 billion), the Families First Coronavirus Response Act ($22 billion), Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES) ($1,760 billion), Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act ($483 billion). The Coronavirus Response and Relief Supplemental Appropriations Act (CRRSA)(991 billion), and the American Rescue Plan (ARP) (1,962 billion).

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    11 months ago

    It definitely has nothing to do with the insane inflation the Trump achieved during his presidency…

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      11 months ago

      Nothing compared to Biden. The numbers show Biden inflation was much worse.

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        11 months ago

        Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Just because Biden is in office doesn’t mean inflation is because of him.

        But here’s what we DO know:

        Quantitative Easing and interest rate control directly affect the economy for better or for worse. He also kept gas prices artificially low. We can argue if that was good are bad but we can’t use gas prices to determine the health of our economy.

        If abused, QE and low rates result in short term gain and long term damage. We often times don’t see the results until years after the actions have been made and the market has had an opportunity to adjust the new dollar value. Basically crazy inflation equals crazy booms and crazy busts.

        Trump pushed QE and near %0 interest rates harder than any president in history. Even Jerome Powell was uncomfortable and pressured into inserting more dollars into the economy. Yikes.

        Remember the bust and miraculous recovery in the stock market we had during Trump? Busts like that don’t happen for no reason. Nor do recoveries like that normally happen. Our economy was being fed cheap money until the day he left office. Now we’re paying the price.

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          Presidents don’t control interest rates. Try again.

          ETA: I agree with you on the gas and that is a metric that is commonly quoted but is often not tied to any president or presidential action.

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            If presidents don’t influence interest rates then presidents don’t influence the economy in a measurable way compared the fed reserve. By your logic then neither president is to blame then. But neither of us actually believe that.

            I would encourage you to look back into how Trump pressured the federal reserve throughout his presidency.

            Again, if you don’t believe that he influenced the feds decisions then all that talking that Trump did about improving econ health, and low interest rates was just the equivalent of him promising a wooden nickel to his followers and lying that he was the source of the change.

            And again, I and I’m sure you believe that he did heavily influence the economy and fed reserve.

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                I’m so happy you sent me that article. It proves that stimulating the economy with new money often times is bad… Just like what Trump did. I’m not a Biden fanboy but I genuinely believe that Trump’s love for cheap money doomed us. Here’s one of many articles showing that he did exactly what I described above. The fed was trying to deflate the economy now but we’re basically pressured into not. Now they are finally doing what they wanted to do like 6 years ago.

                I promise you, you cannot in good faith argue that there was not massive artificial economic stimulus in Trump’s presidency and he had a massive role in that.

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                  11 months ago

                  The Democrats were pushing for more money because of the pandemic. They wanted people to stay at home. Right or wrong, the Democrats pushed it and I can’t say it was the wrong decision at the time. Would you have preferred Trump refused to send money to let people stay at home during the pandemic?

                  Biden came in and started spending like crazy. Look at the debt growth under Biden. It is astounding. That money didn’t need to be spent. That was Biden just spending.