Do you have evidence of organized left resistance in Iran that is capable of countering the CIA/Mossad influence? Genuinely asking, because without that, this is a pure color revolution. People do not spontaneously form socialist organization from thin air, which is why color revolution is effective, as you can simply wreck leftist organization and push for right-wing organization, like monarchism.
The reason MLs are cautious is because the west is very active in the Iranian protests, and there hasn’t been sufficient evidence of organized leftists poised to take power and resist that influence, mostly voices for a return of the monarchy and capitulation to Israel and the US Empire.
There’s none. I have ML friends who went to jail in Iran for student organizing and they also say it’s all very underground and fragmented. Nonetheless, they also acknowledge that the vast majority of people in Iran is both anti-USA and anti-government so the terrain is potentially ripe.
But that’s exactly my point: it’s pointless to blame the people for just wanting to live a better life when the responsibility of offering a viable path to structural progressive change should come from leftist organizing. Nobody sane, and this excludes armchair tankies on the internet, will ever think “I should stay put and obedient because even though I’m starving, expressing dissent might reinforce problems in the geopolitical scenario”. Have you ever seen an angry or a starving human? That’s not how they think, and it’s definitely not how they should be thinking. You cannot blame and punish the vulnerable individual for the lack of collective political organizing. The only result would be that you would be marked as an enemy (and maybe an idiot) and your political agenda will be ignored, as it systematically happens to micro-ML purist parties.
I’m not opposing the people, though. Their frustration is valid. I’m stating that, while the terrain for organizing is ripe, that organization isn’t there, so whatever takes place of the current government will be an Israeli/US puppet, ie worse. It isn’t because Iranians don’t care to organize, it’s because it’s difficult, and right now what non-Iranians need to do is oppose western interferance above all else.
Most people seem to be opposing western interference, though it’s difficult to tell with the internet blackout. Iranians know that sanctions are more to blame for economic strife than anything else.
Also Iraqis had the same choice, decided they’d rather starve, got defeated anyway, had sectarian strife planted in their country, saw their oil stolen, and have now voted twice for the troops to leave and the government’s still keeping troops there regardless. The ‘experts’ said Iraqis would welcome their liberators, actual experts like Galloway said no they wouldn’t, and when put to the test, indeed no they didn’t.
There’s been no guarantee or promise (regardless of it definitely being a lie) that sanctions will end if Iran is invaded, bombed, and a puppet government forcibly installed
Do you have evidence of organized left resistance in Iran that is capable of countering the CIA/Mossad influence? Genuinely asking, because without that, this is a pure color revolution. People do not spontaneously form socialist organization from thin air, which is why color revolution is effective, as you can simply wreck leftist organization and push for right-wing organization, like monarchism.
The reason MLs are cautious is because the west is very active in the Iranian protests, and there hasn’t been sufficient evidence of organized leftists poised to take power and resist that influence, mostly voices for a return of the monarchy and capitulation to Israel and the US Empire.
There’s none. I have ML friends who went to jail in Iran for student organizing and they also say it’s all very underground and fragmented. Nonetheless, they also acknowledge that the vast majority of people in Iran is both anti-USA and anti-government so the terrain is potentially ripe.
But that’s exactly my point: it’s pointless to blame the people for just wanting to live a better life when the responsibility of offering a viable path to structural progressive change should come from leftist organizing. Nobody sane, and this excludes armchair tankies on the internet, will ever think “I should stay put and obedient because even though I’m starving, expressing dissent might reinforce problems in the geopolitical scenario”. Have you ever seen an angry or a starving human? That’s not how they think, and it’s definitely not how they should be thinking. You cannot blame and punish the vulnerable individual for the lack of collective political organizing. The only result would be that you would be marked as an enemy (and maybe an idiot) and your political agenda will be ignored, as it systematically happens to micro-ML purist parties.
I’m not opposing the people, though. Their frustration is valid. I’m stating that, while the terrain for organizing is ripe, that organization isn’t there, so whatever takes place of the current government will be an Israeli/US puppet, ie worse. It isn’t because Iranians don’t care to organize, it’s because it’s difficult, and right now what non-Iranians need to do is oppose western interferance above all else.
all good until the last part. If the choice is between starving and western interference, guess what everybody is going to pick?
Most people seem to be opposing western interference, though it’s difficult to tell with the internet blackout. Iranians know that sanctions are more to blame for economic strife than anything else.
Also Iraqis had the same choice, decided they’d rather starve, got defeated anyway, had sectarian strife planted in their country, saw their oil stolen, and have now voted twice for the troops to leave and the government’s still keeping troops there regardless. The ‘experts’ said Iraqis would welcome their liberators, actual experts like Galloway said no they wouldn’t, and when put to the test, indeed no they didn’t.
Excellent point.
Both?
There’s been no guarantee or promise (regardless of it definitely being a lie) that sanctions will end if Iran is invaded, bombed, and a puppet government forcibly installed
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