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Does she? First we don’t know the indicator that failed the test. If it is an xy chromosome or higher testosterone. For all we know could be a bad test sample. What we do know is she is a woman. How hard would it be to just pay off an official/tester if your competitors are better than you.Secondly this lady has lost to many women with no question they are women. She isn’t superior she may have advantageous genes and if we want to put a limit on that well we she should examine if Michael Phelps is to advantageous in his genes.
YEah, the boxer in question has XY chromosomes. Did you read the article? It’s in there.
One corrupt Russian official said this but did not give proof or point to the test. They let her compete all the way to the end of a competition let her win then claimed she has xy chromosome.
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I literally quoted you the source on the Wikipedia quite literally the same one dude who claimed it from IBA. Wikipedia said media claimed this and the IBA corrupt governing body dude claimed it we are circling back to a singular one sourced claimed with out exceptional proof.
This Olympic event every individual agreed that all the individuals were fine including this woman until she got punched in the face. The IOC and Paris boxing unit said she was a woman and clear to participate(they test testosterone since that is a know steriod).
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Thank you. I will look for more sources. I was just going off of this article.
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The situation has arisen because the world championships last year was run under the auspices of the International Boxing Association, whose president, Umar Kremlev, told the Russian news agency, Tass, that DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events”. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/29/boxers-who-failed-gender-tests-at-world-championships-cleared-to-compete-at-olympics
“A boxer from Algeria Imane Khelif was excluded from the IBA World Boxing Championships due to the failure to meet the IBA eligibility criteria,” the governing body said in a statement. “The IBA upholds its rules and regulations as well as its athletes’ personal and medical privacy, the eligibility criteria breach therefore cannot be shared by the IBA.” The Algerian Olympic Committee said Khelif was disqualified for “medical reasons” and that it would support her preparation for the African qualification tournament for next year’s Paris Olympics. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/two-disqualified-failing-meet-eligibility-criteria-world-champs-2023-03-26/
In your own article it say she was disqualified after winning gold medal under the rules of having xy chromosomes. Why was she allowed to compete? They don’t specifically say she had xy chromosomes. They just decided to apply the rule after she won gold. They need more documentation and clearer rules. It isn’t hard to spit in a jar and claim someone is not what they are. Or to have a bad sample or mix up.
There is also medical conditions that cause women to have xy chromosomes still doesn’t mean they aren’t women. Tons of people have genomic advantages over other people. Again Michael Phelps
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Read your article again “Khelif’s thoroughly dominant showing on Thursday will only inflame the debate over whether she and Chinese Tapei’s Lin Yu‑ting should be allowed to compete at the Paris Olympics. Last year, at the World Boxing Championships in New Delhi, Khelif was disqualified hours before her gold-medal bout as a result of International Boxing Association rules that prevent athletes with XY chromosomes from competing in women’s events. The IBA disqualified Yu-Ting before her bronze medal bout for the same reason.”
It says they used a rule doesn’t say she has xy chromosomes. In your same article the IBA that claimed they were disqualified after they won was also stripped as a governing body of boxing since they have had tons of scandals and corruption
“The International Olympic Committee has since stripped the IBA of its status as the global governing body for boxing because of long-running governance issues and a series of judging scandals. That leaves boxing in Paris under the umbrella of the IOC’s Paris 2024 Boxing unit, which has more relaxed rules than the IBA and has chosen to disregard the results of Khelif’s and Yu-Ting’s gender eligibility tests last year”
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I’m no languageist but I’d call that indirectly.
You’re basically saying guilty until proven innocent here. They say she broke that rule therefore she must have. This isn’t a criminal case but having actual proof goes a long way.
No direct source claims A has d. All direct sourced is Person A was disqualified from event B because of rule C saying people with D cannot compete
It seems from what I read that she has this syndrome when a male doesn’t develop all male features but female ones. That’s why she would have high testosterone and could have other masculine features. Sucks, but absolutely something that should be addressed and already is addressed. Only that it is addressed differently in different leagues.
I think that in case of imame, no competitors issued any complaints before the Olympics even when asked directly, so she should be able to compete.
Maybe we don’t know. We don’t have good clear transparent and non corrupt testing. We don’t even test this on every single woman. IoC said they need clearer standards if they want to kick this woman out.
It’s a bad situation. Women’s sports have a problem. But right now it’s not a big problem. There are not many individuals who are the outliers. Even imane loses fights.
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I love everyone citing the International Boxing Association (IBA), “they tested for XY chromosomes.” They did a testosterone test and the IBA President concluded she had XY due to elevated testosterone.
Caster Semenya went through the same stuff but was a woman. Her case is very different but the same. A woman that has elevated testosterone but a medical condition that gives her XY chromosomes.
Instead people should be asking who Umar Kremlev. A Russian that lost his last election but decided “nope, that doesn’t count” and still holds office. Damn, who does that sound like? Yes, he has ties to the Kremlin. Can, someone remind me on their stance with alternative lifestyles?
Elevated testosterone in females is not uncommon. Just like everything else, it is complicated.
Boxing in general is stupid as hell. I feel empathy for both parties here.
What’s the problem with boxing?
Are you talking about the sport itself, or all the BS that goes on around it?
I’m just not into the violence of it. I’m also a hypocrite who still watches football, so don’t mind me.
I’m just waiting for demands for the 4k vagina video so everyone can judge for themselves whether or not she’s a real woman with a real vagina.
She’s not a regular woman, she’s a freak of a woman. Most those athletes are freaks amongst regular people, she’s just not a freak in the same way most of them are.
Holy fuck… do you call people with dwarfism or people with missing arms freaks too? Like they belong in a circus?
IMO there should be two categories:
- one with the average testosterone content that most women have, but open to anyone that is eligible.
- And free.
Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn’t to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.
but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male.
We have no idea if that is true about Khelif.
I swear. More people need to know about Swyer Syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
Khelif may not have even known she had a Y chromosome until that test. She may have just thought she had very “masculine” features for a woman.
It’s irrelevant whether she knew or not. Once it is known, she needs to be moved to a different league/class.
So even though she might have been born with a vagina, one that essentially works like any biologically female vagina, you think she should be forced to fight men because she has a Y chromosome?
Are there any other times where people should be genetically tested and given something different to do if it turns out they have Swyer Syndrome?
Yes. Also, I don’t care about her vagina. That’s not the point. The point is that having a Y chromosome likely means her body has experienced heightened testosterone her whole life, which makes her much more physically capable than a normal woman whose body would not have experienced heightened testosterone levels. That basically means it’s unsafe for her more normal competitors to get in the ring against her, same as it would be to put her up against Hafthor Björnsson.
All Olympic athletes should be genetically tested for these things, so they can compete in the right class/heat/category.
Yes.
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Just make that against the rules? Though, maybe that’s difficult to test for.
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Not China, thankfully!
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Why does there need to be a global rule for all sports? Just let all the sports associates decide for themselves, case by case. It’s not a big issue and doesn’t deserve international news coverage.
Would you reconsider your rule when the champion of every single weight division in your “one with the average testosterone content that most women have, but open to anyone that is eligible” category is a mtf trans person?
I personally don’t think it should be controversial to give people born as women some of their own spaces, especially when it simply comes down to a question of fairness.
Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.
If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women’s boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.
Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
I’m without any doubt “genetically inferior” when compared to Usain Bolt: even if I started training when I was 3 years old, I couldn’t even imagine to get nowhere near his level because nature decided to screw up my knees while he was born a fucking sprinting machine.
Sorry darling, suck it up and take the L or change sport.Well how did she lose her other olympic and IBB matches if her genetics are always the same then???
I’m not talking about that, my whataboutistic friend, I’m talking about this specific episode that’s being used as a media case to rage-bait people.
Then we should set testosterone limits for male competitors too if it’s always unfair. Or is it only okay when we police women’s bodies?
It’s always going to be unfair when the game is going to be “how strong am I?” because it will always boil down to genetics. If your body is more suited than mine to shoot punches you are going to win, regardless of sex, gender, ethnicity or age: basically the Olympics are a “Biggest Pumpkin Competition” but with a better advertising campaign.
So all of this rhetoric of “should we test athletes for testosterone” is fucking dumb on both sides.
Give them fucking chainsaws and let them massacre each other for my entertainment.
Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
You’re literally talking about whole sports in your first sentence, nothing specific about that…
Yeah I’m sorry, sometimes in sake of brevity you skip some premises thinking an average minded person would be able to put it together on their own
If testosterone is a PED and it doesn’t matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it’s a sexist attempt to police women’s bodies.
Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn’t.
Are you proposing mandatory testosterone blockers for all Olympic athletes?
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Yeah I mean putting all athletes with XY chromosomes in a single category and XX in another one, and make a third category for trans and people with that kind of condition.
Maybe she isn’t trans but definetly having XY chromosomes and being a women can influence the performance.
Maybe she isn’t trans but definetly having XY chromosomes and being a women can influence the performance.
You know what influences competition more? Money. Also she was never tested for XY chromosomes.
