I’ve decided to do my first Babylon 5 rewatch!
Lets have a binge thread to talk about B5!
I would love to find a 4k remaster of the series, there are some great demo videos on youtube, but on the streaming sites I can only find 720p. If you have any trouble choosing which streaming service to use just search for fmhy and they will have a curated list of options.
TV shows were wild back then, 22 episodes per season, 45 minutes each; 1000 minutes per season!
The series is such an interesting piece Sci-fi history. Having the premise stolen by DS9, having to swap out one of the key characters after season one and pivot the story, the curse and early demise of many of the actors…
Curse?
If you do a “where are they now?” on the cast many are dead :/
A TV show with adult actors, plus 30 years after it was filmed… Yeah… they are not going to be around much longer.
Oh yeah but a lot of them died super early
Really enjoyed re-watching this series! Very dense and intricate in terms of setting and story lines compared to other science fiction shows on air at the time. Even if I wasn’t so young then I believe I would have had difficulty following along week-to-week. Now, if I’d known about usenet…
Season 2 - Episode 15
The PsyCorps is your friend, trust the PsyCorps.

Season 2 Thoughts and Comments
Over this season we see earth fall in with the secret police, who are different than the psycorps. Earth force is a very dangerous place for good people to be now.
The shadows and vorlons have revealed themselves as agents of good and evil respectively.
Lando is well onto the path of space Khan, naked hunger for expansionist empire. Right now he is somewhat reluctant, but when pressed uses grand anger as a shield. He is in the backseat, but he is responsible, and its tearing him apart. Who is to say where the shadows have also influenced.
We end the season with a Earth Centauri non-aggression pact, and Centurian expansionism into all of its neighbors.
The membari have been very quiet this season.
The purpose of Babylon 4 and its space jumping haven’t been hinted at.
What will happen to the vorlon timelord jack the ripper now?
Overall - The season has good intrigue setup, I’m now emotionally invested. I’d say less filler in this season, but still quite high maybe 30% totally B plot episodes.
The pieces are on the chess board now!
Season 1 Episode 1 - Midnight on the Firing Line
Wow, the graphics look surprisingly clean, but very outdated!
Hahah, “Earth is some lost Centauri Tribe Making us distant relatives”
Vir is my spirit animal
League of Non-Aligned worlds, ohh yeah Space UN, but without the static veto security council
I do not like Santiago. I’ve always thought that a leader should have a strong chin. He has no chin, and his vice president has several. This, to me, is not a good combination.
The big mcguffin for episode 1 was the technical advisor for the raiders had archived communication between narn high command and the invasion fleet verifying the invasion was unprovoked. That seems like a wild operational choice, no compartmentalization for a sensitive operation.
PsyCore is super evil; Join us; Prison; or Lobotomy drugs.
Garabalis second favorite thing in the universe is loonytoons and not sex, as was so heavily hinted at. No way this joke setup could happen anymore
Humanoid aliens with human traits… meh… but generally a nice watch.
This concludes all the Babylon 5 videos created.
Even with all the other content, its hard to beat the shadow and vorlon war arc in the show. Seasons 1-4 are absolute peak science fiction.
I feel a little exhausted, but very up to date.
The reason nobody listens to Zathras is because Zathras leaves out important information…
A really good retrospective: https://youtu.be/7jUNB-o463w
- 1. Babylon 5: In the Beginning* (film, years: 2245-48)
- 2. Babylon 5: The Gathering (year: 2257)
- 3. Babylon 5: Seasons 1–4 (years: 2258-61)
- 4. Babylon 5: Thirdspace (film, year: 2261)
- 5. Babylon 5: Season 5 (year: 2262)
- 6. Babylon 5: The River of Souls (film, year: 2263)
- 7. Babylon 5: The Road Home (animated film, year: 2263)
- 8. Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers (film, year: 2265)
- 9. Babylon 5: A Call to Arms (film, year: 2266)
- 9. Crusade: Season 1 (year: 2267)
- 10. Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (year: 2271)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5:_The_Road_Home
Comments and Thoughts
Zathras and the great machine transcend realities time and space. Zathras is probably the most important creature that exists.
The Power of Love is a little cheesy especially to solve quantum tunnel effects.
Since we are talking about parallel dimensions i wonder how that compares to third space, hyper space, and quantum space.
The joke about lost in space being something they couldnt say was a little oddly meta.
Babylon 5 : The Gathering 1993 Pilot
I realize i watched this out of order, the vorlons seem hyper militaristic and aggressive, but i suppose that fits in with their super controlling nature we see at the end of the shadow war.
The station seems sexier in the pilot!
The psycore seems much more interesting and dark, they must have toned it down after the pilot
How does the doctor treat a vorlon, who he sees as a angel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5:_In_the_Beginning
In the Beginning - 1998
The start of the Earth Membari war, the first hint of the Vorlons… the Shadows pestering Londo
The tragedy of losing the peace talks
Who was the prisioner referred to by Londo in the last scene?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5:_The_Legend_of_the_Rangers
Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers
This feels like a one-shot self-contained story, some billion year old threat comes, there is a client race doing the dirty work of some mystery race. We have a ranger ship overcome the odds.
This was a pilot for a possible series that never got picked up, pity
Season 4 Thoughts and Comments
Season 4… is zero filler, mad dash, it felt like i watched 4 season arcs in one.
Shadow War - Sorted
Earth Civil War - Sorted
Telepaths Taking over everything - Almost sorted
Surprise galactic government - Sorted
Membari Civil War - Believe it or not, Sorted
I’m having trouble really processing it all, very dense… The arcs really needed time to breath, at some point I was feeling plot fatigue and it was just rushing over me like a tidal wave.
After the shadow war, everything else felt like petty small potatoes, it was hard to get invested emotionally in anything. This is classic plot power creep, its hard to deescalate.
Season 1 - Episode 7 - The War Prayer
Earth First!
I think the coup wasn’t really well thought out… killing the ambassadors on the station was the signal to kill more ambassadors on earth? Thats… one way to do it.

What planet did y’all say you was from again?
Babylon 5: A Call to Arms 1999
Out favorite shadow’s of shadows the Drazi strike out for symbolic revenge and attempt to destroy the earth on the 5th anniversary of Liberation day over the shadows.
The shadow cloud that would wrap a planet in a net of nuclear missile firing stations was destroyed by the new mega destroyers
As a consolation prize the Drazi drop a misconfigured plague on the planet that will kill everyone in 5 years.
This is all setup, no payoff… I think its to establish the premise for the TV series Crusade.
As far as planet killers go, relativistic rocks going through hyperspace could destroy a planet without all the fuss… or jumping into the center of a planet. The Shadow Net is way overdramatic.
Season 4 - Episode 6 - Into the Fire (End of the Shadow War)
Wow! Season 4 has been a absolute speed run!
The shadow war was resolved, and the Vorlons and Shadows turn out to be bickering preachers who only wanted to see who could “win” the hearts and minds of the child races. A forever competition that through boredom escalated into open conflict, but never with each other. Only through proxies
At various times we saw the Vorlons as Angels, and the Shadows as Devils. Then Vorlons as resisting evolution (kinda), and Shadows being absolute believers in evolutionary competition… Then at the end as evangelical preachers that only cared about their message, and not about winning or losing, only to ultimately be afraid of being alone.
I’m not sure how I feel about the evolutionary pressure aspect of the ancient races as shepherds of evolution… why do they care? What is their incentive?
I suspected we were watching people gate the evolution into beings of pure energy, as we saw with the Psychic from season 1… But no, the Vorlons and Shadows, as well as the other elder races, and the progenitor, all leave in corporeal forms beyond the rim together…
That raises another curious quibble, why would these active, breeding, living, races not have intelligence and missions, and observers, and contact beyond the rim? Are we left with the galactic luddites who refused the big emigration and technology push and got left behind? Religious fanatics? That could explain why they care about the “younger” races.
I’d love to hear peoples thoughts on the purpose of the war, and where everyone is going.




