It’s really more like Remote Desktop+. It has some additional “features” (slight retch) on top of traditional Remote Desktop features.
Let’s wait and see if it’s actually more secure than traditional Remote Desktop.
(and I’d still rather use Wine)
Did they invent X11 Forwarding over the network?
Btw. when we get wayland forwarding over Network?
waypipeexists, but it’s still not perfect.Never heard about this. Thx.
Neither was X11 so it’s in good company
Unlike X11, Wayland was never intended to be network transparent. As others say, solutions like waypipe and more tradionally RDP and VNC exist.
Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it.
Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn’t work.
So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression.
You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic.
I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP.
It’s more about security if I recall correctly
How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1?
Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet
Or, this file on x.org:
“But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…”
https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf
Btw. when we get wayland
forwarding over Network?/c/foundthenvidiauser
X11 can render individual windows (Xclients) through the network on another Xserver since decades. With XPRA you can even buffer them, to move them from one Xserver to another or make sure they survive network disconnect. It’s very cool, but not widely used.
Yes, the
ssh -Xflag forwards it.I doubt it’s nearly as secure as OpenSSH though.
it goes through an SSH tunnel
Bottles and boxes are basically the Windows app.
No, it’s just remote. Remote desktop is now also called Windows, also the operating system you are connecting to is called Windows.
Gnome has relatively good rdp support, so with this you could use Windows (the app) on Windows (the os) to connect to you Linux machine running Gnome.
It seems deliberately confusing naming is working as expected, Microsoft marketing team should get extra raise.
Microsoft strategy 101. My “favourite” is the database called “SQL Server”
Doesn’t everyone call it MS SQL anyway?
No they call it Sequel Server
I thought this was dumb as fuck, but I think I understand what Microsoft is trying to do here.
What might not be obvious is that this “Windows” app is for iOS, Android and Linux - yes, it’s a replacement for remote desktop but it’s specifically a remote desktop app to connect to Windows machines.
So while I still this this rebranding is entirely unnecessary, I can see that they are trying to clearly distinguish “I’m not on windows and I need to do something on windows so I’ll use the windows app for that” .
It also means less confusion when “remote desktop” doesn’t let you connect to your Mac or whatever.
One year from now: web search “Windows App broken” and then starting cutting myself.
Something tells me the community forums will still refer to it as remote desktop or RDP anyway
But the users looking for a fix may not
What the fuck is that title
Some journalist memeing
wine
Not confusing at all, not even the slightest bit.
Drunk
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It’s a remote desktop client, so it won’t. OP read only the title of the article
I was like, this has to be fake. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/09/microsoft-releases-a-new-windows-app-called-windows-app-for-running-windows-apps/
As I understood this is some remote running layer, while WINE is an emulator.
WINE is an emulator.
ಠ_ಠ
Wine Is Nothing but an Emulator
Wine Is Naturally an Emulator
Wine Is naturally Not an Emulator
WINE
Lol, that’s a good one.
Oh dear cheddar, what does WINE stand for?
(best quality I could find)
Wine Is Not (an) Emulator
Hahaha
Wine’s Independent New Energy
WIAE?
so by now even Microsoft acknowledges that it has lost the battle of making computing synonymous with Windows?
FOSS release of Windows when?
FOSS release of Windows when?
Can you imagine if that entire code got released tomorrow, without Microsoft selectively cleaning it up first?
I remember WinXP getting decompiled a while back and people thought it was pretty wild. Can you imagine Win8+?
Bet we’d find a few comments like
#Yes it's a massive security hole but don't ask questions.LOLI think we’d still be shocked at how much data collection it does. And probably how “I don’t know why it works but don’t touch it.” The code is. (It was written by people, after all)
I’ve always felt a lot of Windows’ “dependability” is really just slick presentation and the mystique of a black box that sounds solid when you knock on it.
But what bothers me so much, as a non-career-coder and DIY-computing learner, is whenever a corporate product breaks, everything is obfuscated with nonsense that is only meant for a company engineer.
At least good FOSS tries to tell you exactly where the issue is.
If Windows went FOSS I bet it would get a lot of human-friendly fixes…and MS would get a lot of new scandals lol.
i read a blog post by a former MS employee who shed some light on the situation. apparently the windows dev team is entirely made up of junior developers. As soon as anybody gets any experience, either MS tries to promote them to management, or they leave to find a better job.
what that means is there is nobody at MS who has deep knowledge of the Windows kernel. So instead of re-writting, re-factoring or making additions, all they know how to do is add things on top of the existing OS.
I don’t think this is strictly true. They do tweak parts of the kernel such as the CPU scheduler to deal with new CPU designs that come out which have special scheduling requirements. That’s actually happened quite a bit recently with AMD and Intel both offering CPUs with asymmetric processors with big and little cores, different clock speeds, different cache, sometimes even different instructions on different cores. They also added ReFS not long ago, which may have required some kernel work.
I can understand though if they have few experienced people and way more junior devs. It would probably explain a lot to be honest. A lot of Microsoft stuff is bloated and/or unreliable.
Imagine Microsoft decided to open source windows they would act like mozilla firefox management or smth
HyperV4every1 version whateverthefuckitis
But not all Windows apps can be run via Wine, at least some apps related to some tools I’ve had to use were not available
Then spin up Windows in a VM. It is painless and has unattended installation
Is this like windows in a window, windows in the cloud, or a dual boot situation?
It’s like Windows in a window. Not just Windows, but you can run many other operating systems in a VM too.
Yup that’s what I do
Edit to say that there’s some mouse drivers which don’t work in a VM, at least from my experience but maybe I didnt try hard enough
Do the 3D mouses work?
Ya but they won’t run in that app either I bet (like photoshop or 3dsmax).
Maybe, I’d like to see if there’s a difference, but you’re probably right
True I wanted to run affinity I couldn’t do it I apparently need a custom version of wine
You can if it’s a protable software, you can “acquire” portable softwares on appnee
Let me guess? CLOUD VMS? “Emulation” tries the most generic app: Doesnt work. Office apps will be the only functioning apps.
To be fair MS Office fully working on Linux is about the only thing we really need to make it completely viable for businesses.
The Desktop apps will be replaced with web apps ASAP anyway. Well, I think, as soon they think they have ported enough of the features to the web version.
Are there native arm versions, or are those already webViews?
The main problem is Excel, TBH. Far too much stuff depends on Windows-only features of Excel (e.g. macros using COM objects).
I think , if you need those features, it would be worth investing in proper solution anyway 🤷🏻 But I see the fear of investing in that
I agree, but unfortunately our opinions don’t move a gazillion finance bros
Sounds awful lot like Citrix…
Yo dawg…
*xibit-meme.jpg*
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I hope its so they can finally end the legacy support for all the win98 software and end all “settings is actually a folder” non-sense.
