• boonhet@lemm.ee
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    5 hours ago

    They are a terrible company, and yet I’ll always bat for them online because I feel they get more flak than other, even worse tech companies.

    Apple was the first company to give you several years of software support instead of one major OS version. Apple, for a while, made devices so easy to repair, it would’ve put them out of business at some point, honestly. Even with the first 8 or so iPhones, they were fairly easy to open up, but I’m talking of course about the PowerPC era, where they’d send you repair manuals with your spare parts. As a private individual.

    Apple still makes the highest quality laptops, as far as actual build quality is concerned. That aluminium feels so nice. Also only running 2 or 3 models at once means they’re actually easier to repair, as spare parts aren’t nearly as diverse. I see a HP that doesn’t say “Elitebook” on it and I throw it in the trash, because I ain’t looking for parts for no Pavilion or Envy or whatever.

    That said, do I think they actually have any social principles? Hell nah. But they aren’t worse than all the other companies. Apple makes money selling you an overpriced phone. Google only does if you buy a Pixel, which isn’t all that big a marketshare, there’s still Samsung and others in the same space. Google needs to be making money off those too, and they are, via data collection and advertising.

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      The amount of kool-aid in the post is amazing.

      Apple computers have always been on the lower end of support (see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture). Windows/Linux has never been this quick to drop support.

      Apple hardware has always been hard to repair. Non-standard parts, non-standard screws (pentalobe screws, etc…)

      Their laptops have never been the “highest quality”, they are better than average but haven’t ever been the highest quality. Companies like Asus and Sony (when they made laptops) were more reliable (unless you want to compare a $2000 MacBook to a $500 laptop but that’s making sure it isn’t fair.).

      And Apple does data collection and ads. Always have. iAd was Apple’s first and started in 2010. And Apple collects a ton of private data about you.

      They have always claimed to be doing one thing while in reality been doing the opposite. They get flak because they are the worst for this two-faced behavior.

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        Apple computers have always been on the lower end of support (see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture). Windows/Linux has never been this quick to drop support.

        Except now Windows is dropping support randomly for older CPUs, including many that would run Win11 easily, just because they can. So they’re honestly the same as Apple in that regard.

        see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture

        They support the old architecture for several years, how’s that a bad thing?

        Apple hardware has always been hard to repair.

        They used to literally ship you parts with repair guides.

        Non-standard parts, non-standard screws (pentalobe screws, etc…)

        Non-standard parts are one thing (and a problem for sure), but keep in mind that they have way less variety. Go find me a motherboard for a HP Pavilion 15-n037so. Go find me a motherboard for 2012 Macbook Air 13". Guess which one will be easier to find in a company refurbishing laptops. I used to work at one.

        The parts for non-Apple laptops aren’t always that standard either. You look at two similar WiFi modules, one has a D/PN on it and the other has an FRU code on it. You can’t put the D/PN coded part in a Lenovo or the FRU in a Dell, because apparently they use whitelisting! I’ve personally run into this.

        And Apple does data collection and ads. Always have. iAd was Apple’s first and started in 2010. And Apple collects a ton of private data about you.

        Of course they do. Now go look at how much Google does of the same.

        They have always claimed to be doing one thing while in reality been doing the opposite. They get flak because they are the worst for this two-faced behavior.

        Worst with the notable exceptions of Microsoft and Google.