Summary
Donald Trump threatened to send American citizens convicted of vandalizing Tesla vehicles to El Salvador’s infamous Terrorism Confinement Center, labeling the vandals as “sick terrorist thugs” deserving 20-year sentences.
This statement followed a major vandalism incident in Ontario, Canada, where around 80 Tesla cars were damaged.
Trump’s comments coincide with controversy over his use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants, halted by a court order.
The White House defended the deportation despite legal challenges, denying any violation of the court’s injunction.
I’m pessimistic about a lot of what people say Trump can’t do, but he definitely can’t do this one.
Edit: that’s enough of this community. Y’all are way worse than even the politics and tanky subs on Reddit. Jesus, y’all need some help. Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.
I want to agree with you, but why can’t he? The courts aren’t saying, “You can send these people to El Salvador because immigrants have fewer rights.” The courts are saying, “They have rights, you can’t send them there,” and his admin is ignoring them. What’s to stop an attempt to deport citizens?
I don’t want to be blackpilled, but public backlash hasn’t amounted to enough. Hopefully a greater public backlash will matter, but it seems like people don’t recognize how dire the situation really is.
Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that. It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests. This is probably what Trump wants though, so he and Musk have a reason to implement martial law and really take the mask off
I honestly don’t think he would. Conservatives have proven themselves to be absolutely craven maniacs time and time again. He’s NEVER lost their support.
I agree with you
There’s your problem. Have you not been paying attention lately? Half the citizens want this. Even among those that don’t, there’s no appetite for violent protests.
Sure, there will always be some number of people who support whatever evil shit he does, but it’s nowhere near half. Hopefully, the things he’s doing will activate people who normally tune out, because this is getting very serious, along with the people who did support him but are getting disillusioned. As ridiculous as it seems, their presence at town halls shows that, for some reason, a lot of people trusted him not to do this shit when they voted for him.
I’m starting to get hungry.
Lol do you live in USA? It’s literally a fascist state. There will be no riots or massive protests except maybe in support of genocide, etc.
I said “in theory,” several times. You even quoted me saying it.
Yes I live in the US. I’m not predicting anything. I was answering the question that was asked, sorry if I triggered your hate boner.
Hey, I see that you’re mad about the people responding to you, but it’s vital that you understand that the constitution is dead, the republic is over, we have a king now. We’re maybe, generously, months from Congress dissolving itself at Trump’s request. At this point, the Trump administration can and will do whatever they want; when there are no consequences for violating the law, the law does not exist. It’s up to us, the people, to make them second guess and wonder if there will be consequences- in a better scenario, they would know there would be consequences, but I think we’re past that.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
What are you doing then, or are you not a good person?
I’m not mad at all honestly, just disappointed. I would expect honesty and truth from this server, but all I get is doomer BS, insults, and false info. If y’all can’t even be honest you’re just another r/politics or r/conservative.
Have fun continuing to lose the country. If y’all can’t tell the truth and then downvote accurate context y’all are just as bad as MAGA. I want no part in either.
I’m organizing with peaceful balkanization efforts. What about you?
Also, this IS the truth. Trump is already doing things that he can’t do, and the courts aren’t doing a great job of stopping him. There are no consequences, just finger wagging. As such, he has no reason whatever to obey or fear the courts. We’ve utterly abandoned holding powerful people accountable, to the detriment of us all.
I’ve been linked articles taken out of context and a ton of bad faith arguments here. I can tell this place isn’t for me.
Unfortunately all I can do in my area is protest and march. I don’t see how balkanization is going to help. Fracturing communities and turning them agro hasn’t seemed to help anyone.
I’m not talking about fracturing communities as much as breaking the federal government’s capacity for harm by separating it from revenue streams (blue states) and creating standalone states that are more responsive to the needs of their people.
Ah, so you’d throw away our union. That’ll work out great. It really is a bunch of tankies in this server. I was wrong when I said this place was like r/politics, it’s much worse.
Our union is already fried. I’m honestly just trying to be pragmatic. The US has something like 14 distinct subregions, and we’d probably be much better off like the EU; a bunch of legally sovereign partner states under a trade federation.
Honestly, tell me, what path do you see for getting the federal government back to even 1990s level of functionality? Because I really don’t see one that isn’t made of pure cope and delusion. I’m not trying to put you down, I honest to goodness don’t see a way back from this. We’ve missed so many legitimate chances to save the union over the last thirty years, even in the last four years. These opportunities have reliably been passed up by cowards, fools, gluttons for money and/or power, and people too busy performing to political high roading to actually do the needful and difficult work called for by these times, and I think our last chance might have sailed. This is it, we’ve hit the end of the road, there’s no clever tweet, great speaker, or national Messiah to lead us back from the brink; we’re either going to tip into naked fascism and all that goes with it, or we walk away. What comes next will not be resolved by anything that will make a feel-good moving in twenty or thirty years. Imo, balkanization is the most practical and least violent of all outcomes for everybody.
Yet you still show up to your job everyday as if nothing is happening at all. I agree with most of what you’re saying. That’s why I’ve stock piled a ton of ammo and supplies to live off grid. I’m actually excited for the fascist takeover. Then it’s free range on these traitors. Luckily I live in BFE and own property in the boonies. I don’t agree that balkanization is the answer though. If we can’t stay a union we’re all fucked, just like the Balkans 😂.
Rule number one of OpSec is if you’re gonna do something, don’t tell anyone. If they’re planning something that the government can/would consider illegal, saying something online is the stupidest thing you can do. Even if it’s as innocuous as planning to protest.
I’m layers deep in anonymity. I’m not worried about being found out for what I say.
You are missing the point that there are no rules or laws anymore. Legally, there is lots he cant do, but he keeps doing them anyway, because in his mind, legal is anything he gets away with. SCOTUS gave him immunity, and he intends to abuse and exploit it as much as he possibly can.
Until a US Citizen gets deported I’ll sit. I’ve been bombarded with people here saying it’s already happened, but no one can provide me with evidence. You’re all just fear mongering and that’s ridiculous. That’s the psychotic BS MAGA and conservatives do. All I’m seeing is leftists here doing the same and it’s pitiful.
Ive heard a lot MAGAs defending themselves against charges of being Nazis by saying that there haven’t been concentration camps and round-ups of citizens, etc.
Do we really have to wait until they are arresting people exercising their free speech and sending them to concentration camps? Do we really have to wait until we see black smoke belching from prison incinerators, and catch the smell of roasting meat?
If we can see that we are already on that path, if those in charge are making all the moves to prepare for those outcomes by building camps (30,000 bed facility in Gitmo) or sending their current scapegoat victims to black sites in fascist countries without due process, or threatening to charge citizens who are exercising their free speech rights with terrorism, or ignoring judicial orders by saying “We dont care what the judges say,” etc., shouldn’t we do EVERYTHING possible to stop it now, BEFORE they ramp up the wholesale killing machines? Do we really have to let them actually murder millions of innocent people before we finally say “Gee, maybe they are Nazis. Why didn’t somebody do something about this a long time ago?”
Yes we do have to wait, because anything done before that will land you in jail. After they break society we can hunt them down like the animals they are.
Pretty sure he’s already shipped legal green card holders already. At the very least it just takes a clerical error to label a citizen incorrectly to accomplish the same thing. And that was even in the face of a court order explicitly telling him not to do that. He just ignored it.
They’ve circumvented due process. Even if you are a US citizen, when do you get a chance to prove it?
Hint: you don’t
He literally already did. Legal US residents were shipped off to a concentration camp with no trial or due process. This is despite a judge ruling that he “can’t.”
He can. He did. He will again if we let him.
Residents and citizens are not the same though. You cannot deport or exile a US citizen. If that happens there will be anarchy in the streets.
Youre either lying or stupid https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-child-recovering-brain-cancer-deported-mexico-undocumented-rcna196049
They’re both.
Goddamn, you fuckers don’t even realize the context of the articles you linked. Hey Mr dumbass, they didn’t deport the US citizen girl, they had a choice to leave her abandoned in the US or take her with them as they got deported. While this is vile and cruel and worthy of causing civil unrest, she was not deported.
Read the fine print, that’s property of the US Government and they can revoke it whenever they want.
Mmmmmm, looks like a forgery. We’ll put in a request with your birth state to confirm. In the mean time please take your seat, we’re wheels up to Venezuela in 15 minutes.
https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/
😂 I’m a US Citizen, I don’t have a passport.
Ok then, even easier, you don’t have shit. Your drivers license is fake, your SSN is stolen.
Shut up and get on the plane
🤣 GTFOutta here with this BS fear mongering. No wonder us lefties lose all the time.
He can. They’re basically just kidnapping people and whisking them out of the country before they have time to get legal representation or take it to court. And if a court does manage to rule that the deportations are illegal, Trump’s forces ignore it and deport the people anyway. The only way to stop it is to physically obstruct the deportations, but who is doing that?
Trump has already started ignoring the courts. The rule of law no longer applies in the USA.
He’s already doing it.
I need an example of a US citizen being deported.
No you don’t. You need to prove everyone who was sent to a concentration camp received due process, which they absolutely did not receive because we don’t even have a list of everyone abducted and rendered by ICE.
Clearly you don’t know shit. The burden of proof is on the claimant.
Exactly. That’s why you don’t abduct and intern people without cause. Including citizens.
Lmfao what the fuck??? We’re talking about civil rights, not suing McDonald’s over spilled hot coffee
Does the circumstance matter? The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the claimant. I can say you’re a traitor to democracy, but the burden of proof is on me. No wonder us lefties lose all the time.
Bro go troll somewhere else, nobody is buying your “us lefties” schtick
😂 wild how unreasonable you people are. You’d just jump to conclusions without evidence. Have fun being labeled a terrorist and thrown into prison. I won’t be protesting for you people.
Game it out.
Say he does this.
Say someone sues. Say they rule against Trump. Say it’s appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court, eventually, and say they actually take the case and rule against him in, at best, a narrow 5-4 ruling.
That’s pretty unlikely. And the defendant will have been in prison a long time, already. And he could just bring them back without much fanfare, as this is a hundred controversies back.
And say he defies the order, especially if the Supreme Court refuses to take it… Then what? Is congress going to harass him for a immigration case? That is political suicide, and the congresspeople would be at real risk of physical retribution too.
This is what populist, fascist dictatorships do. They can’t get away with everything, but they constantly push the envelope and game the systems, hence the orders he is already starting to push.
Obama, Biden, Bush, even Trump on 2016 couldn’t do this because the political support from a base wasn’t there, but now it is.
How will they sue when they have no access to a lawyer, they’ve been picked up off the street, held in black sites incommunicado and then sent to these slave labour camps, never having gone near to a lawyer, a phone or a court?
The people being sent there now have not been convicted of a crime. I wouldnt even be confident that the people sending them into lifetime slavery know who they are. There could already be US citizens kidnapped into slavery for all anyone knows.
That’s the point, the whole chain is extremely unlikely.
Even the first step ‘somebody sues’ is impossible, because you have to have access to a lawyer to sue. Someone needs to know where you are. This has already happened to a lot of people…
I’m sure you’ll be muttering that to yourself on the plane to El Salvador.
Nah dawg, I have guns and will use them before it comes to that. I’m not trying to sound tough either.
I guess you’ll be muttering it to yourself six feet underground
At least I’ll have gone out on my own terms instead of whatever way it is you’ll go.
OK Tough Guy.
Nothing tough about it 😂. You’ll either kill or be killed if it comes to US citizens being deported and if I can take at least one fascist with me I’ve done my job as an American patriot.
Yes, we’re all very impressed with how tough you are, mister tough guy.
Haha, I don’t even know what you’re trying to argue anymore. I just plan to do the bare minimum. There’s nothing tough about that.
LOL if you think this way then you were never an ally.
🤣 and leftists wonder why we just keep losing.