First you’re all wrong, no we do not need more mundane scenes of how this cult office works, I understand it’s cute and fun but this isn’t The Office, even if it is set in an office.
Second you’re all wrong, Mr Milchick isn’t and has never been “evil” he’s a guy trying to climb the corporate ladder and becoming more and more disillusioned by it, if Mr Milchick is “evil” every middle manager at a company that uses cheap overseas labor is also evil
Third you’re all wrong, Devon is a normal lady, I don’t understand where this idea that she’s some uber smart moral paragon seeing through Lumon is coming from, she’s married to Ricken ffs, she can’t be that smart!
Not a you’re all wrong but something I never see discussed or considered an optional motivation for characters is the Whole Mind Collective who are referenced several times early in season one, Rheghabi and could be involved although she does claim not to be, she isn’t trustworthy so there’s no reason to believe that but even if she’s not directly related she still can be connected to them, perhaps through Irving? People are selling Irving incredibly short, like really? A main character is just quietly sent off on a train forever never to be seen again? Pure nonsense. He knows “what his innie is up to” and we know as a fact his innie has an ulterior motive based on the phone conversation he was having that Burt of all people interrupted, he is extremely unique in terms of perspective, which we as viewers actually have very little insight to, I think his reveal will shock people since no one is paying attention to his actual story line at all
Next season is gonna be Gemma figuring out how to get mark back, gonna be very different in tone
Also Helly & iMark trying to figure out what to do. Maybe we’ll see them apply the Glasgow Block on each other so iMark can talk to Helena & vice versa.
I had an idea of them finding a way to invert their chips, so the outies are stuck on the severed floor and vice versa. This would force the outies to reckon with the reality of innie life and place the innies and outies in a more directly adversarial position. If oMark and Helena try to leave the severed floor, they’d only be setting iMark and Helly free. Then you could potentially have Gemma on the outside trying to get iMark to let her husband out or other new dynamics they could set up with the innies pretending to be outies full-time.
My husband was pissed Mark didn’t leave at the end and said it makes no sense and the show is stupid because of it.
I don’t think he fully understands that innie Mark and outie Mark have different motivations.
Importantly, up until this point innie-Mark has pretty much always done what would benefit, or at least not disrupt, outie-Mark. This is the first time he’s done something purely for himself, knowing it isn’t what his outie wants. Even if it’s doomed, it’s his only taste of independence.
For all intents and purposes, they are the same Mark. But, self-liberation starts within, with your inner self. If outie-Mark is going to truly be free, innie-Mark needs to be the one to claim that freedom for Mark’s holistic self.
Irving is definitely coming back. No way we’re not finding out how his outie knew about the elevator hallway.
He also had that list of employees he was investigating, so he’s clearly there with a reason
My bet: He was tested on down there and has also been partially, but not fully, reintegrated with the electric/magnetic field thing Asal first tried on Mark (or something similar). But due to all of the fragmented personalities (probably 20+ like Gemma) it didn’t take. So now he has a lot of wires crossed in his head.
Bonus points: He’s been like this the entire show. With his outtie personality being the only one experiencing visions (hence the paintings) due to the “bad” reintegration. That or his outtie personality isn’t his real outtie and is just more Lumen fuckery.
The slow burn is OK.
My wife begs to differ, but I agree with you.
It SO is.
Take your time with reintegration. I want more goat-related world-building.
I was thinking about this some more and the severed floor would be an outstanding setting for a modern RP MUD. Character classes could be the different departments and you could develop your character’s skills and earn rewards. Maybe there could be some new spins on the genre like hallway paths are randomised per person and you need help to learn to reach other departments, or you have a limited budget for actions that cause restrictions or send you to the break room.
That is a tremendous suggestion for a setting.
You are in a maze of white brightly lit corridors, all alike…
I want a spin-off starring Alex!
First I just want to say, popular opinion: Mr. milchick is a beautiful man.
Other than that, does Ms. cobel really think she can bring a conglomerate like Lumon just because she has some drawings? I mean even if she would win something in court, what is the plan here?
Lumon is about control and the myth of Kier. I don’t think she’s aiming at Lumon the corporation, she’s looking to erode its cult’s foundation.
In season one Cobel portrayed as a hard believer in the Kier ways, she might hate the people currently running the company but I think she is still into the Kier legend/legacy. Without her alerting everyone at the end of season one the consequences could be much different. She need the Keir Esteem tm and feel betrayed when administration shoved her aside.
Bring in her best refiner and his sister and go from there? It’s not like we know a lot about her or how she thinks (and even the little we got to learn in one short episode was enough to annoy a lot of people into hissy fits…).
Innies have no rights nor should they.
How can you be so controversial yet so brave?
JK, this is why i think the world they made is plausible if you accept the technology as a given. Many would seriously adopt that stance. Just observe the callousness many people have toward the plight of people they don’t interact with often.
And, there would be young college students who are the earliest protestors of the unethical nature of Severance technology.
the season finale was a fine series finale
the only thing I want out of season 3 is all the cult lore and heavy ether use. maybe there is a way to intertwine those.
This was meant to be the final season. The ending is beautiful and mysterious, as it should be. Another season is a mistake.
I agree. However, now knowing there will be at least a third season, I have to ask. Where in the heck do those crazy love-birds think they are running to?
They don’t think anything. Mentally they are teenagers, worse, they are teenagers in love, they’re no thoughts brain empty. They don’t have a plan beyond “I want to be with you”.
I don’t think they know. You can see how, after Helly initially shows joy, both have kind of a dreadful expression knowing they are running into hell.
Exactly. This final scene was never meant to be continued.
The ending and its dated late 60s Hollywood style makes me think it’s a tribute to the ending of The Graduate.
It doesn’t matter to them that they don’t know where they’re going or what they’ll do, just as long as they’re together.
beat me to it… but I did have a little more to add
Don’t keep us in suspense! I would enjoy hearing what else you have to say.
it’s further down the thread
The story went into complex territory, compared to season 1, and I generally don’t like that, but it was done masterfully, so…
It went from being a small cog in the corporate machine doing meaningless tasks no one (even management itself) know their purpose, to be the one and only Chosen One. The first is something most viewers can relate to, the other is more common in the fantasy genre.
Car’s cabin air filter is a scam.
I’ve never seen this show and I don’t need a corporate product to explain to me why corporate culture is a plague on humanity.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
thank you for the submission to the severence community, truly a good use of everyone involved’s time
No problem at all, happy to pass by anytime
The show is about much more than just “why corporate culture is a plague on humanity”.
No message today is more apt and should be heard louder than “corporate culture is a plague on humanity”, except maybe “capitalism and consumerism are weapons of mass destruction that should be destroyed immediately”. Anything else is withe noise made exactly to disctract all of us from these 2 basic messages. Therefore this show is completely and utterly useless as anything shown on TV.
Qed
Wow, it’s sad that your life has no place for art.
My life is full of art, I don’t see TV corporate slop as such. That’s all
Thank you for coming to our community to tell us that the thing we like is shit. We’re sure to benefit from your insight.
No problem at all, I hope you’ll get something good out of my opinion and will start looking at things differently in your future. We are more than consumers
The show is weird and laughabled. It’s about enslaving yourself, but you don’t have to remember it, advertised as separating work and home life. All the innies know how to speak and know the words to all objects and things in their awakening, but their personal memories are gone. That’s not how memories work.
If you had a split personality, and couldn’t remember what the other personality did, but you heard they were not happy and wanted to leave, you probably would want to know why and figure it, instead of forcing yourself to work in possibly shit conditions.
Some scenes only make me laugh, like when that dude was upset that his wife cheated on his outerself with his innerself.
Cold harbor is about creating a personality that never questions or thinks. The awakening in the very beginning is not like the awakening in the cold harbor room.
It’s a nicely presented show overall, but has nonsensical parts that pull me out.
Also, the pausing in between people talking ruins the flow of conversations, seemingly to drag out a scene.
That can indeed be how memories work (to a certain extent). There are many different types of memory loss. Retrograde amnesia, for example, will often involve retaining a lot of physical skills and lots of knowledge, but no real memories of the past.
The show is, of course, making up fake brain science, but the memory/skill aspect isn’t the magic part.
The hardest part to believe is that a technology could bypass the conditioned response from some of the traumas they inflict upon some innies, Gemma in particular.
Those get encoded in very deep and old parts of the brain, and can even impact the fascia of the body if it is sustained for long periods. An example of that is the armoring of a chronically stressed person that shows in posture and and limited range of motion.
