edit: muting this thread, goodbye.
Welcome back!
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Me; new here thinking “hexbear” is the furry server… Oh…
Well I was half right
LPT - you don’t have to give any fucks about who or what “hexbear.net” is, instead you can have a life.
If I don’t want to have a life, can someone explain this to me? What is hexbear, and what happened?
It’s a Left-unity instance for Marxists and Anarchists. That’s really it, some people get really mad at that.
It’s a Left-unity instance for Marxists and Anarchists (who like to simp for authoritarian AES states).
Fixed it for ya.
The overwhelming majority of Marxists worldwide support AES, and a good number of Anarchists support AES against Capitalisy states. It’s not about “simping.”
Imo, support for AES authoritarian states is one of the main sources of friction between Marxists and Anarchists. It’s ideologically dishonest to suggest otherwise. Especially since most AES states are now capitalist in most respects. If you guys would drop the AES support then left unity might stand a chance.
If you guys would drop the AES support then left unity might stand a chance.
Ah, I see. So in order to achieve “left unity” all we have to do is:
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Abandon support for every socialist project that was even moderately successful
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Refuse to learn from their successes and failures because we have to write them off entirely as if they weren’t genuine movements
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Allow blatant propaganda and falsehoods to be spread about them unchallenged, for fear of being associated with them.
Of course, if we did that, especially the last one, we’d be associated with them anyway - they called Obama a communist, they’ll apply the label to anyone. If every attempt at building socialism was an unmitigated failure that just made everything worse and resulted in things just as bad as the Nazis, then why the hell should anyone want to be a socialist? Why should we even be socialists?
And don’t try to pretend that it’s only uncritical support you’re talking about. If you have a good word to say about any of them, if you challenge accusations and call them out when they lack evidence, then you’ll be labelled a “tankie.” Y’all are obsessed with punching left and demonstrating your anticommunist credentials, and have been for the last 80 years, “If we just toss all the Reds out of the AFL/CIO, then people will see we’re not like them and they’ll be on our side, that we’re ‘one of the good ones,’” and then guess what, they call you Reds anyway, and when they come for you you’ll have alienated people who would’ve actually fought back. This is how we got to the point where even “liberal” became a dirty word, of being “too far left.”
Yeah, thanks but no thanks on that one. I’m going to continue critically supporting AES states and examining their success and failures and refuting misinformation about them - focusing on what’s actually true, rather than on trying to “prove” that I’m sufficiently anticommunist to pass some red scare purity test.
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I only have a surface level understanding of all this stuff, but don’t marxism and anarchism both aim for a stateless, classless society?
Marxists and Anarchists have a different view of what the state is, and what class is. Marxists see the state as an implementation of class oppression, Anarchists see it as a tool of hierarchy.
As a consequence, Marxists see Communism as a fully publicly owned and planned, democratic government, while Anarchists want decentralized networks of Communes. For Marxists, the Anarchist solution retains class distinctions as each commune only has internal ownership and thus class is retained, while for Anarchists the Marxist solution retains the state as it retains hierarchy.
This struggle over analysis drives the major distinctions between each major school of Leftist thought.
They do, but people like unruffled see marxists as traitors
Marxists are aligned on support for AES, though, outside of fringe tendencies like Trotskyists and Gonzaloists. In my experience, it’s more of a hot topic among Anarchists, having spoken to firmly anti-AES Anarchists and critically supportive Anarchists.
Further, when you call AES states “Capitalist in most respects,” that just isn’t accurate from a Marxist stance on what Capitalism and Socialism are. AES states are where large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly controlled, while the private sector is dominated by small firms, sole proprietorships, and cooperatives of non-essential industries. This is because Marx viewed the only real way to achieve full public ownership is developing into it, rather than simply decreeing it.
The divide more tends to be among the stance on what the real obstacles in the way of progressing beyond Capitalism is, and those in support of AES tend to agree that that obstacle is currently the US Empire.
Their users are often overly entitled by this, spread hate, engage in brigading and censor people when they don’t agree with them.
It is mandatory to mention that while I said the above, there is probably a good portion of them who aren’t like that. They’re just the silent majority.
How do you determine if something counts as “brigading” vs just being federated? Moreover, I have no idea what you’re counting as “spreading hate.”
https://jlai.lu/comment/13530572 (For your first question)
Some isolated users are very vocal when there’s a discussion about their instances. Happened in a discussion about defederation of hexbear in my instance. Wasn’t there but it lead to both instances being defederated from us
So it’s really just federation between instances, not dedicated and coordinated brigading.
For sure, the core of hexbear and lemmygrad isn’t brigading, but it happened enough so that people are fed up of it
brigading
I am once again begging the Redditers to learn how federation works
I’m not going to start the whole thread again. Here is the reason we say this: https://jlai.lu/comment/13508125
(Sry I only have a link to my instance)
When you go out of your instance, it’s to argue about political opinions
Your not in your Instance… and you’re taking about politics!
Brigader! Mod! MOOOOODS! This person is Brigading!
I guess you didn’t read what I wrote
You can read my comment history. I’m sure you can check that I’m not only talking about politics and not always defending one side
Yeah, and the Nazi party was just a social event. 🙄
Google can probably help you if you really think it’s worth looking up.
It would be better if they were completely defederated.
The tankies need to find another space to fester.
Yeah, people i disagree with really need to get out!
Some ideologies deserve to be ended
“Well alright, the ni**ers and the chinks can stay, but we don’t want the Irish!” - Blazing Saddles
What does this mean? Genuinely asking.
They’re falsely equating ideology to ethnicity.
It’s a quote from the movie Blazing Saddles mocking bigotry, in this case to say “Suppression is bad unless WE do it” is s hypocritical and wrong approach - and in fact it’s the exact mentality of people who currently want to suppress gay, trans, etc. which to them are as “obviously evil” as nazis.
You know that you can block instances yourself? Like you don’t have to be forced to see their stuff. I think some of y’all enjoy whinging about shit for the sake of it.
If you block an instance, you can’t spend the next sixty posts complaining about the replies.
Blocks don’t hide your posts from them or prevent them from responding to your comments.
And?
Seeing “there is no record of this comment” in a chain brings me sexual pleasure.
Die in your hole, person I disagree with!
Plus you still get to see the replies to the comment, usually them being dunked on by other Lemmings.
I’m fine with hex, for the most part. This is a joke, in the jokes about the fediverse community.
You know that blocking an instance does not block users from that instance?
But it blocks all posts that are posted to communities on on that instance, so it guts 90% of the shit you don’t want to see. Just block users when they piss you off.
The constant posting of hatred towards other instances is just as if not more annoying to me than the dumb shit hexbear comes out with.
But it doesn’t block votes, so their users will still influence your feed.
It’s not that I don’t want to see them, it’s just I don’t want to waste my time replying to anything when anything other than “DAE hate westoids?” gets deleted right away.
Let me try that. Quick, reply to me now.
Hey, it works!
What did you do I tried to block them and I still see them. I just wand to block them and grad.
Blocking instances only blocks posts from them, not comments.
You should check piefed (piefed.social , join.piefed.social) it has support for lemmy and proper instance blocking.
I love piefed I’m just waiting for a mobile app then I’ll switch over totally. Doesn’t even have to be good just something.
Whats interesting about piefed is that everything is prerendered - it doesn’t use an api, unlike lemmy. Of course, an api is in the works, and the dev of thunder made a PoC.
I had no idea everything was pre-rendered. That’s super interesting
I use the Alexandrite version of lemmy.world (https://a.lemmy.world/) and in that you have a hamburger menu at the end of the persons comment, one of the options is block.
I think you can block an instance in your user Settings - Block - Instances.
If you’re using a phone app, it’s going to vary depending on the app.
Voyager has it in the filters section down the bottom of the page.
Don’t have a problem with what instance you’re on as long as you’re respectful I’ll be respectful back
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Oh, my sweet summer child.
I totally agree. But that instance is slightly notorious for brigading threads.
They got like 6 people in here doing just that.
Learn how federation works, or better yet, go back to reddit
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Finally! This place just isn’t the same without pics of pigs shitting on their own balls.
I tried to get AI to generate it for me but it’s just not the same.
It’s about time they showed up, during trans day of visibility no less 😌
I just blocked the whole instance as soon as the option was implemented. There were few good posts/comunities from it, but overall better to block it whole.
Do be aware of the limitations of user blocking though.
Somehow I can’t block it using Voyager, the only instance appearing is
test.hexbear.net. Any idea why?SJW blocks them already.
SJW? Social Justice Warrior? Is that an instance?
sh.itjust.works shit just works
That should be SIW…
It’s “Shit Just Works”
Shh… It just works.
It is Sh.Itjust.Works and the joke has now been improved by an explanation.
@sh.itjust.works
Really? Last time they federated with us they’re the ones who ended up defederating and I thought that was the end of it
They’re mutally defederating.
That explains why so many hexbear defenders in SJW comms are on different instances (usually .ml). They literally can’t see those comms from their hexbear accounts.
I can access hexbear communities, at https://sh.itjust.works/instances only
test.hexbear.netis listed which leads to 502 anyway. Am I doing something wrong?Probably an issue on sh.itjust.works’s end, though Hex blocks it so they won’t see anything on your end even if you do get in.
If you want to see what it’s about, just visit hexbear.net directly.
It makes sense, all the posts I find from hexbear are a couple of months old. It is a bit annoying, because when I hit explore in Voyager and sort by size, thalf of the communities are from hexbear… Maybe @TheDude@sh.itjust.works has an idea why it behaves like this?
Hexbear used to be federated with sh.itjust.works. if you defederate, the old posts still continue to exist, hence the communities also still continuing to show.
I tried removing a bunch of the old hexbear communities. Did that help at all?
Also sorting communities by total subscribers is a bad system. It’s more useful to sort by monthly active users imo.
You can use lemmyverse to sort by active users.
Check the blocked tab. Also, when servers defed, old posts and comms stay behind.
I’m actually getting pissed, I have hexbear.net and test.hexbear.net both instance blocked in Voyager but can still see these cretins comments. I could tag them all but that would take forever.
Edit: Fuck it, just blocking them when I see them.
Instance blocking blocks the comms, not the users. You will have to block every user you see if you’re reflexively anti-Hexbear, or move to an instance defederated from them entirely.
That’s so fucking lame. I didn’t know how good I had it this whole time. But I am absolutely petty enough to block every user from there.
I believe you.
I’d recommend you go to an instance that blocks hex, like lemmy.ca or sopuli.xyz.
I’m not giving up my account because of Nazis. I’ll block every one of them if I have to.
I mean why do they make you that mad they’re usually pretty cool
If you find their behavior cool… Cool is defined by society, usually.
Most do not find their behavior remotely cool. They’re absolute hypocritical dissent censoring liars, as a majority.
What is cool to you?
They’re anti-capitalist and militantly pro LGBTQ+. What’s not to like?
Open support of dictatorships, for starters.
They’re not honest about their political policies in the slightest.
Lying about everything and censorship of dissent. This really is the icing.
If their ideologies are pure and right, why do they need to silence conversation with imaginary pretenses?
You’re misrepresenting the actuality of the environment you’re promoting…
Few may be decent, though the experience of most non trolling has been, the instance is overrun and managed by a lot of narcissistic, hypercritical, and toxic individuals.
they’re usually pretty cool
oh boy how i love having the entire discussion thread be derailed by a bunch of angry hexbears spamming stickers
If you want to sit at the table with Nazis, that’s up to you, I have no room for them.
Equating Communists to Nazis is a form of Nazi apologia. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds.
Nazis???
In what universe are these people Nazis???
Your account is almost 2 years old so you’re either on an instance that hasn’t shown you their shit, you’re ignorant to the real world and how this has been playing out time and time again, or you’re intentionally pretending to not see them for what they are.
Communists are far-left, Nazis are far-right. These are diametrically opposed, and are why the Soviets were the most effective anti-Nazi force in World War II, responsible for 90% of Nazi deaths. The Nazis are the most effective anticommunists, that’s why they targeted German Communists first, in both the famous “first they came for” poem and in real life.
Hexbear are Communists, full-stop.
No, my instance has always federated with them and I have not had any problems with Hexbear. They can be loud and boisterous when prompted but as far as Nazi-ism? They are leftists I’m truly confused at what you’re on about. Could you be any more specific?
Move to an instance that defederates then, and move on? I’m not the biggest fan by any mean, but this kind of posts is just calling for some instance slapstick fights in the comments
For a list:
- https://lemmy.ca/ for a North American instance
- https://sopuli.xyz/ for a European one
I get what you’re saying, but this is mostly a joke.
There is some cool people there.
When Hexbear sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending other cool people. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing flamewars. They’re bringing spam. They’re brigaders. And some, I assume, are good people.
There is instances which block them.
It’s a reference to one of the taglines that appears when using hexbear.net. Visit the link, then look at the top (may not work on mobile apps). Refresh, and you’ll get a different blurb.
And here I thought it was a reference to a Trump speech
Ohh, I had seen those before.
Yep! My favorite is the one that has a hypothetical future Soviet America, written as a POV, and someone gets home from work and a random Hexbear user calls them a revisionist, lmao
If it’s a joke, that’s all good. It’s just that some other people don’t make jokes, they try to hide instance beefing messages in some memes, and that usually just brings negativity in the comments.
There are a few users that come to mind with that, haha. Seems drama baiting is all they do, whether it be by making anti-Marxist memes to draw on drama, or by constantly reposting everything that gets posted on Lemmy.ml on other comms.
Seriously, 90% of it would probably die down if those accounts stopped. Especially ironic is that seemingly the most anti-Hexbear people are the least capable of describing their overall political views, which IMO explains the counter-productive behavior.
Agreed. You’re free to not like the way an instance or community is run, just contribute to others.
You’re right, I dislike people who deliberately put instance beefing memes onto ml and grad just to annoy them, its like poking a hornets nest.
I know, won’t someone think of the poor tankies? Tankies are the most oppressed demographic on Lemmy. Not like those privileged trans people with their own whole instance
I get your point, but at the same time, I feel its just better to leave them by themselves.
Also, I dislike the tankies there, but there is other cool people on the instance.
If I join lemmy.ca and my country invades them will they kick my red blooded american ass out
We’re against genocide so we’ll spare you when the time happens.
it won’t work, they defederated us and I still see their cancer here.
welcome back, glorious pigposters
I’m glad my feed has been pretty drab with them gone
Same, but I can’t seem to get Voyager to actually do instance blocking. It has the option, but it seems to not work.
However will lemmy deal with dissenting or socialist comments? Oh bless my pure centrist heart!
Never noticed they were gone. Just checked and my instance defederated from them. All is good in the world.
Seriously.
Feels good man.
They finally figured out how computer works
