They had access to plenty of rivers so they would have had places where they could try this out, is what I wanted to say.

I like how this means men are lawful neutral, women are lawful evil and skirts are chaotic good.

Reductio ad Hitlerum.

Oh shit you’re right. Please no.

If this investigation will derail his campaign I say go get him.

I knew this guy didn’t know shit about geography, but dude it’s not even the same continent.

You’re not allowed to call them Nazis, but otherwise you’re good if I remember the modpost right.

You can’t do anything in the short term, but if you want to make sure this ends as soon as possible/doesn’t happen again, you have many options. Look up BDS and see what Palestine activists near you are doing.

Hamas welcomed the joint statement describing the stance as “an important step” in the right direction toward restoring the principles of international law.

Not to detract from the seriousness of the situation, but this is hilarious.

Uh… No? Countries don’t have a right to exist in general. People have a right to self-determination, but this is one thing and that’s another. Again, no country has a right to exist.

Holy fucking shit.

This is pure delusion.

Thanks ;).

No less abhorrent? Fucking what. Do you understand what the difference between the treatment of the West Bank and Gaza?

Okay I misspoke there. The wars that Israel periodically launches in Gaza are worse than anything that happens in the West Bank. Outside of those, however, the scale is pretty comparable; you have airstrikes and the blockade on one hand and pogroms and arrests (glorified kidnappings) on the other.

Yes, launched by the PLO.

Yasser Arafat’s PLO and Mahmoud Abbas’s PLO are completely different entities and should be viewed as such. Yasser Arafat certainly wasn’t organizing crackdowns against Palestinian resistance organizations to appease Israel; he came from the era when the PLO conducted and organized resistance.

when exactly do you think there has been ‘calm’ with which to contrast your argument of supposed Western disinterest?

Any time before 1987, and the period between 1993 and the Second Intifada. Also the gaps between uprisings, wars and the like post-2007, so for example 2017.

Cite me a time when you think that Western disinterest was high.

Again, whether the West was interested doesn’t matter; the problem is whether they cared. How much grassroots action was there in Western countries to stop Israel from ethnically cleansing Palestinians before 2007?

And how did that go, ‘highlighting’ the treatment before Oct 7th? Surely there were dividends - increased Western support before Oct 7th, right? Awareness?

Uh… Yes? BDS’s size and reach is a good shorthand for how much Western sympathy that matters is with Palestine, and, well, you can see for yourself. I mean seriously there’s a reason Zionists hate these guys so much and it’s not because they were irrelevant until a year and a half ago.

Oh, wait, of course, it won’t be ‘true’ awareness, because ‘true’ awareness is only when it’s in support of Hamas.

What? Absolutely not. If it’s gonna lead to action their opinion regarding Hamas doesn’t matter. I mean I definitely want Hamas gone and replaced with a less tyrannical government.

Hamas is not the united face of the Palestinian struggle

They pretty much are. I mean they only really represent Gaza, but since the West Bank hasn’t really been doing much since the Second Intifada, the Palestinian struggle is only really happening in Gaza with a few flare ups in the West Bank every now and then, no thanks to the PA.

Far fucking from it - they can be outright counterproductive.

As opposed to… doing nothing? Because again that’s what Fatah has been doing since 2006—nothing. They’ve cracked down on Palestinian opposition to Israel more than they’ve done to oppose Israel.

I love that Fatah are fascists now.

Huh? I was referring to the Israeli right, which should’ve been obvious from context.

but getting angry won’t get you anything

Being angry is a prerequisite to the things you listed, and also, you forgot the most important item: Organize. There’s simply no way America gets a happy ending without a general strike, and the work to make that possible starts now, right this second.

I mean, democracies can commit all manners of atrocities too. Russia was a democracy when they invaded Chechnya if you remember that, and then you have all of Britain and France’s wonderful escapades in Africa and the Middle East and America’s wars over the past 70 years. Also I want to note that Israel has been like this since the very beginning.

Ah, no TRUE interest and support. Got it. Just had to narrow and redefine the criteria once the initial claim was disproven.

No, I had to state my criteria, which I didn’t initially because I wasn’t writing a thesis. You seem to disagree disagree, but as stated above I consider Western conduct during 1996-2007 nothing short of farcical, so morally upstanding global citizens such as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair can take their so-called interest and support, shove it up their asses and die in a ditch so the next generation can at least try and get something done.

By the way, how is the Western “interest and support” now, with Hamas’s heroic efforts, going to lead to peace?

By cutting Israel’s access to trade and weaponry from its closest allies? This isn’t a hypothetical; this is actually happening (I know, not the most impartial source). To repeat, Palestinians have to survive Israel’s genocide first, but if they clear that (admittedly pretty big) hurdle their chances of liberation within a generation or two are actually looking pretty good.

… do you think Israel would be refraining from these crimes were it not for Hamas?

Yes, in their place they’d be (and are, in the West Bank) committing other crimes that are no less abhorrent but more ignorable on the global stage.

It was a major issue in the US, poster child for “I only know geography because of war”, during Bush Jr’s term, even despite the other much more major foreign policy issues taking up air in American electoral politics at the time.

Bush Jr’s term, which coincided with checks notes the Second Intifada. This is exactly what I’m talking about; you need something “newsworthy” to highlight all the horrible shit Israel does to Palestinians daily. Issues like settlements, Palestinian detainees and the Gaza blockade (until October 7th) only take prominence against the backdrop of a major upheaval by Palestinians or a major atrocity against them. It didn’t need to be Hamas doing (or being the excuse for) these things, but it is.

“Israel is focused on genociding Gaza, therefore, whoever is in charge there is the TRUE hero of The Resistance™ and Making A Difference™, unlike whoever is in the West Bank!”

I have no love for Hamas, but the idea that they’ve irrelevant to the Palestinian cause simply makes no sense. Would Good Friday have happened without the IRA? What about the overthrow of Apartheid without the ANC?

Love that Fatah is ‘deeply compromised’ while the literal Mossad plant is lionized.

I mean why is fascists being short-sighted assholes who only care about their own self-interest at the expense of the national interest (in this case oppressing Palestinians for as long as possible) that hard to believe? These guys supported the formation of a Hamas because they were “harmless apolitical Islamists;” that’s already enough evidence to declare them terminally stupid.

Count the number of bodies of water in this image: .

I am increasingly finding it difficult to see how the Israeli colonial regime is any better than the russians (putin is a mere symptom of the broad support for genocidal imperialism in russian society)

It’s not. The only reason Ukraine isn’t like Gaza is that Ukraine has an army to protect it, and if Ukraine didn’t have an army to protect it it’d be like Gaza. Russia and Israel are similar to a frankly kind of ridiculous degree.

The strat here is to simply not provide services to the israeli military. It’s that simple; I mean it’s literally the IDF nothing good could come out of helping them with anything.

Man I wish I had this much free time. Also somebody’s gay and in denial.

What everyone with half a brain cell was saying would happen happened. Who woulda thunk?

Nope, he’s just a neoliberal chasing after the center.