Either way, philosopher John Rawls concludes differently in his 1971 A Theory of Justice, stating that a just society must tolerate the intolerant, for otherwise, the society would then itself be intolerant, and thus unjust. However, Rawls qualifies this assertion, conceding that under extraordinary circumstances, if constitutional safeguards do not suffice to ensure the security of the tolerant and the institutions of liberty, a tolerant society has a reasonable right to self-preservation to act against intolerance if it would limit the liberty of others under a just constitution. Rawls emphasizes that the liberties of the intolerant should be constrained only insofar as they demonstrably affect the liberties of others: “While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger.”

That’s a whole lot of words to communicate what could be easily described by reframing the concept of tolerance as a social contract rather than a moral precept.

The sedentary office lifestyle is genuinely disastrous for your health, both mental and physical. It’s especially insidious owing to the fact that the effects are largely invisible, just massively increasing your risk of heart disease, stroke, and cancer. That’s not to say that the other extreme of constant manual labor isn’t also disastrous for your health, just that I don’t think the health effects of a sedentary lifestyle are taken seriously enough by institutions and people in general.

So they took over a building they don’t own, refused to leave, and had a list of demands?

Yeah, sounds like something the police should be called for.

Would you say the same thing about organized sit-ins in segregated buildings during the civil rights movement? Same set of facts, took over a building they didn’t own, refused to leave, had a list of demands. If not, then clearly you believe that if the status quo is untenable and the demands reasonable then the action is justified.

This is peaceful civil disobedience in opposition to an ongoing genocide being broken up by the police state.

Which is why you should pirate Andor and ignore the rest of the franchise.

Congrats on becoming a parody of yourself. “Here’s a diagram made in MS paint that shows how stupid all this ideology stuff is. Anyway, only my tiny sliver of the graph is good and the rest of you are all doo doo brains. I’m so very smart and enlightened.” Please touch grass, I promise it will improve your mental health.

This is the way a child argues. You’re not saying anything or making any tangible point or clarifying what you mean. You’re just posturing. Frankly I’m embarrassed to have been baited into such a long and stupid argument, and you should be too.

my main point is MAGA has taken total control of the US at this point and you’re telling me progressives are the hardest working political party.

I have already explained why I believe that is a disengenuous way to frame things and rather than respond to any of what I said you just keep restating your point in increasingly derogatory ways.

To preface this I want to make it clear that when I say things like “the progressives” or “the liberals” I am referring to politicians, not voters in general.

I did not say progressives are “the hardest working political party” (they aren’t a political party at all, like WTF do you mean?), I said they are doing the most to fight fascism. The liberals are literally following James Carville’s advice of “play dead,” so it’s baffling that you would even try to argue otherwise.

I also explained my POV on why progressives struggle to take over the DNC while MAGA easily took over the GOP, but you just snidely dismissed it as “excuses” and refused to engage with my points.

All you’ve been doing is dodging all my questions with snide remarks. Sure I’m partisan and clearly so are you, but can’t you at least try to argue in good faith? I’m only still having this conversation with you because you are a very prolific poster and your output has genuine influence in the politics@lemmy.world community. If we can have a genuine discussion about how to fight fascism going forward I think it could be very productive.

Here’s the comment that OP got it from; should be more readable. You can also read the rest of the exchange to see how much of an ass OP made of themselves if you like.

Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you genuinely just like this?

So you think that progressives should be supporting neoliberals because they are the lesser evil, like how Bernie endorsed Biden and Harris? Funny how that worked out.

Oh, I suppose you mean progressive voters. Hold on just a sec, I’ll go turn on my mind control machine that I conveniently have in my basement. Can’t believe I didn’t think to use it to make people vote for Harris, doh!

Jokes aside, if you want people to vote for a candidate that candidate actually has to give the people something to vote for, not just something to vote against. The progressives have that and the neoliberals don’t. Unfortunately the neoliberals have something that progressives don’t, corporate PAC money and mainstream media support.

I did vote for the lesser evil BTW, for all the good it did me. I stand by my vote but I know that most people are less informed and engaged than I am, so the lesser evil argument just doesn’t work on them. You can spend all your energy being angry and bitter about that or you can do something about it, your choice.

Or what they’re trying to do is way harder than what others are trying to do. Again, you continue to criticize progressives for not achieving enough while offering no solutions. Tell me, what do you think progressives should be doing instead?

Holy shit it’s like talking to a brick wall. Is it not possible in your mind for someone to be doing more and achieving less? You want to maybe respond to the points I made about how progressives have to do everything without media or financial support while MAGA has had the backing of extremely wealthy people?

Beyond that, progressives don’t just lack support from wealthy donors, the wealthy actively oppose everything we do and even regularly smear us in the media. If you’re such a smart guy and know what we should be doing, why aren’t you doing it? I promise you progressives are open to new ideas, we’re trying everything and then some.

You really think this makes progressives look bad? Why has your entire output on this platform become shitting on progressives for not doing enough when they are the ones doing the most?.

I suppose I should thank you for giving my comment more reach, it seems that more people need to hear this.

Edit: Adding another comment I made to address the point you seem to be clumsily making with this post:

The reason MAGA was able to take over the GOP so easily while the progressives have struggled to take over the DNC is because MAGA had (and still has) the backing of several large donors and owners of mainstream media. The entire mainstream media apparatus has been outright hostile to progressives until very recently, and even now they are reluctant to give full support.

The fact is that Progressives have a much harder fight than fascists because our ideas represent a tangible threat to the wealth and privilege of those in power while fascists’ ideas only threaten the powerless (at least at first, many of these wealthy people who are complicit in the rise of fascism will find themselves against the wall too eventually, but they are shortsighted).

Replying to this again because I don’t think I addressed your main point. The reason MAGA was able to take over the GOP so easily while the progressives have struggled to take over the DNC is because MAGA had (and still has) the backing of several large donors and owners of mainstream media. The entire mainstream media apparatus has been outright hostile to progressives until very recently, and even now they are reluctant to give full support.

The fact is that Progressives have a much harder fight than fascists because our ideas represent a tangible threat to the wealth and privilege of those in power while fascists’ ideas only threaten the powerless (at least at first, many of these wealthy people who are complicit in the rise of fascism will find themselves against the wall too eventually, but they are shortsighted).

They pretend to be weak so they can get away with their blatant corporate bootlicking. They failed to stop fascism not because they are weak, but because they are complicit. They were not incapable of doing what needed to be done, they were unwilling. When you realize this suddenly everything the DNC does (and what they don’t do) makes sense. Stop protecting them, they are not our friends, and nothing will be done about the fascist takeover until we oust the neoliberal ghouls from what is supposed to be a working class party and replace them with progressives.

To me it’s showing how much of a joke the liberals are, given they are the ones with control over the Democratic party. Because we have a two-party system the only way for progressives to gain power is to take over the DNC, which they’ve been trying to do for a long time and only now have been able to get somewhat of a foothold.

How can you possibly blame progressives for the Democratic party’s failures when they aren’t the ones in control?

• David Hogg is funding primary challenges to Democratic incumbents who refuse to obstruct Trump’s fascist takeover.

• AOC and Bernie Sanders are doing their Fight Oligarchy tour around the nation to raise support for progressive candidates.

• Progressives all over the US like Kat Abughazaleh and Zohran Mamdani are running for local offices.

• The Congressional Progressive Caucus are the only ones consistently voting against Trump’s and the Republicans’ cabinet appointees and blatantly unconstitutional bills.

• AOC is regularly hosting virtual events to inform her constituents of their constitutional rights, something for which she is receiving threats of prosecution from the Trump admin.

These are just the things I could think of off the top of my head, and while all this is happening establishment dems like Chuck Schumer and James Carville are actively fighting against the progressives instead of fighting fascism. If it seems like not much is getting done it’s because the neoliberal ghouls that have embedded themselves in DNC leadership positions are doing everything they can to force the entire party to “play dead.”

Why have you started with this crusade against progressives when they are plainly the only ones doing anything to fight back against fascism right now?

Fascists will always be able to get the establishment on board while anti-capitalists and progressives will always be on their own. Anti-capitalists and progressives threaten their wealth and privilege while fascists seek to preserve it. That’s why we’re still stuck tying our laces while fascists are halfway down the street.