The Hasan hater cohort

I have him on for hours a day and it’s not out of animosity. I give him credit and indeed have in this thread, writing all critics off as “haters” is extremely parasocial behavior.

The bits of idealistic liberalism he often regurgitates serve as the peanut butter required for baby leftists in the west to swallow the pills that end up shattering their naïve worldview.

And this is garbage. Communists disdain to hide their aims and your idea about how left-radicalization works – besides being condescending to the point of misanthropy – is completely failing to appreciate the fundamental differences between Marxists and the irony-poisoned, nihilistic freaks on the extreme right, for whom recruitment based on lies makes more sense.

Hasan understands that if you only run defense for socialist countries, libs will immediately dismiss what you have to say as “shilling for authoritarianism” and never consider the rest of your message.

This isn’t the problem and if being a hardline socialist remotely resembles this in your view, then your mindset is totally backwards. I don’t give a shit about him not cheerleading for whichever country hard enough, that’s such a terminally online view of what politics is, I care about him misrepresenting Marxist theory and thereby hampering people’s political education beyond receiving a laundry list of berniecrat and antizionist talking points.

Us being critical of him supports his role

Then what are you even complaining about? I’m helping him, right?

I thought I had deleted it quickly enough because I realized how tedious it would be to argue about this.

(who would otherwise reject him if he advocated for nonparticipation in bourgeois elections)

This was not Lenin’s position, and it’s the same bullshit false dichotomy I’ve seen him bring up before (Marxist icon Contra also did this). Lenin very explicitly argued against the main socialist faction that held this position (the Otzovists), maintaining that the vanguard must do both legal and illegal work, with running as a distinct communist party being an element of the legal work.

I would also say that he is torturing ML thought, but the problem is that there is no building a socialist movement on false pretenses, and I have repeatedly seen the contempt with which he treats people representing the actual revolutionary nature of Marxism. You can see in his chat in any such instance that he has trained his community very well to go “based” “chad” at whatever image of select revolutionaries but to reject the substance of their thought and call people with a basic understanding “ultras.”

You cannot accept Lenin’s theoretical contributions until you have accepted that Lenin is someone worth listening to.

Using quote-mining to misrepresent Lenin while sneering at his actual positions is not the way to accomplish this. There are many things that you can do, of which probably the easiest pitch is to simply explain in plain English some of theoretical basis of Marxist political philosophy, which I know sounds scary because I used big words at the same time as talking about popular communication, but you can explain to any functionally-illiterate high school dropout what (for example) class antagonism is and why it is irreconcilable, I’m just counting on not needing to use small words in order to mention it to you in order to demonstrate this point. Nonetheless, I will if you need me to.

Disillusionment is an incredibly valuable thing, and he should be exploiting it by deepening the disillusionment rather than being slightly to the left of the other berniecrats while continuing to punch left.

I don’t understand the implication. I assume they already have wielded bioweapons against Palestine even recently, but why particularly would they be doing this stuff in the US?

Even if we just assume that the Dems were the leftmost party and not even the Greens were on the ballot and you couldn’t write anyone in, it’s a more reasonable calculus in that situation to not vote because it’s the only way to communicate something compatible with left-opposition.

Whether she would be better advised to do that or not is, as I already said, beside the point.

it’s not a matter of “trust,” it’s a matter of not jumping down someone’s throat when she didn’t say anything wrong! This is a backward, reactionary attitude of making excuses for needless aggression.

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I wonder why they picked Fire Kirby.

Yeah, I don’t think he has demonstrated conviction really (we’ll see what he says sooner to the election), but I was definitely pleasantly surprised by his recent comment.

There’s no “entitlement” in asking not to be verbally abused when you aren’t attacking people or causing harm. If we pretend that the username is some sort of that it’s okay to be cruel to this person, then it was a misdeed on the part of the admins to not just ban her and instead tee her up to be abused.

No one needs to forgive her for anything, but that doesn’t mean that it’s just chill to behave however they like toward her.

She’s been pretty active during her short time here on this account and has been engaging very positively with us. But really, that’s beside the point here, because it’s not a matter of “trust,” it’s a matter of not jumping down someone’s throat when she didn’t say anything wrong! This is a backward, reactionary attitude of making excuses for needless aggression.

I was wondering what was going on with “Oh, that one user everyone involved in prolewiki complains about” or whichever one it was (I don’t remember the specific complaints people had and don’t care). I actually got accused of being you on an alt once! Maybe twice, but the second time was a joke. I felt like it would be rude to ask because you have indeed been very nice here.

I’m sorry that people were mean to you, the userbase has a serious problem with pretending that antisocial behavior is Good, Actually. There was a period where it came up frequently in arguments but not as much for me recently. I think this is more evidence that “Bullying Works” is just detrimental as a mindset.

I fully believe people can learn and grow and abusing someone for someone who they aren’t anymore is reactionary behavior (incidentally in this kind of space, abusing someone for who they are instead of either engaging in good faith or just banning them is also reactionary)

Alright, but then what would we call the Dead Kennedys? Dead Kennedy?

There’s a good chance that she does end up next assuming KJU doesn’t die too early or something, but there’s a difference between laying groundwork for that purpose and “chooses daughter as heir,” as though he made some public proclamation or something.

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I don’t think you want generative “AI” to program a coordinated kamikaze drone attack.

It’s been conventional wisdom for longer than this godforsaken country has existed that health is the most important thing someone should prioritize, but no, you mustn’t spend any money on something like “gut-healthy juices” until the decades of paying off your debt are complete. I don’t care about "gut-healthy juices, but attacking downwardly mobile debtors for having the audacity to buy them is beyond disgusting.

The entire past and present editorial staff of WSJ and a large portion of their columnists belong in prison until such a time as they can be rehabilitated to not engage in these behaviors.

Him first

Theoretically what this is would be misrepresenting someone else as presenting a false dichotomy, but it’s actually a correct dichotomy because you can’t support a colonial ethnostate without supporting genocide and people do assert that, so I guess maybe the fallacy you are looking for is “appeal to incredulity.” They are basically treating their position as axiomatically not-pro-genocide despite it logically leading to genocide, and pointing that out meets with no stronger objection than that they are offended by the idea of you saying that.

That’s Drowzee, the unevolved form.

Might be Drifloon