• PizzaMan@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I do not like the government trying to force them on people

    Road vehicles make up a not so insignificant ~25% of all emissions. Reducing that as quickly as possible is necessary because we are out of time to transition. The free market has failed to make that transition so government needs to step in to prevent a wider disaster.

    Walkable cities and robust public transit are god tier, far better than EVs. But where cars are unavoidable they should be electric to reduce impact.

    Government’s role is to prevent disaster. This is part of it.

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      1 year ago

      We are not out of time. It’s debatable if it’s even man made. The earth has warmed and cooled many times over the billions of years we’ve been around.

      When I was a kid, we were predicted to freeze to death by now.

      We need to remove all the money to see get an unbiased view of what’s causing the issue. Right now we have to much money thrown at its man made to get an unbiased opinion.

      I agree the climate is changing. I’m not certain moving to electric will belay it any way and I drive an electric car.

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        1 year ago

        We are not out of time.

        If we don’t fix our shit now, we are going to sail past the 2.5° mark. That is going to risk a food chain collapse, which would be a mass extinction level event. And that’s only one of many of the disastrous effects.

        It’s debatable if it’s even man made.

        It isn’t. There are few sciences as close in agreement as climate science. The overwhelming consensus (97%) within the scientific community is that it is happening, and that it is man made.

        https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

        When I was a kid, we were predicted to freeze to death by now.

        Not really.

        “Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect.”

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

        And here’s the thing about science, it gets more and more accurate year over year. So saying “they were wrong back then”, even if that wasn’t already outright inaccurate, it still misses the point. That point being that there is mountains of evidence showing that climate change is happening, and it is human caused.

        Do you know how many climate tracking satellites we had in the 70s? The answer was basically zero, and nowhere near the tech of today’s it’s crazy what half a century of technological advancement can do.

        We need to remove all the money to see get an unbiased view of what’s causing the issue. Right now we have to much money thrown at its man made to get an unbiased opinion.

        That’s not how science or the peer review process works. The scientific method takes money to be able to experiment. Do you think climate monitoring satellites are just free?

        I’m not certain moving to electric will belay it any way and I drive an electric car.

        Any given person’s contribution is a drop in the bucket. But that’s not the point of transitioning. When people transition to better options en mass, it then has an effect.

        Like I said, road vehicles account for ~25% of emissions. EVs aren’t carbon neutral by any means, but they are comparatively much better in terms of greenhouse gas emissions.

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        The earth has warmed and cooled many times over the billions of years we’ve been around.

        Who’s “we”? The human species is somewhere around 200,000 years old.

        I was a kid when Mt. Pinatubo put so much ash and CO2 into the air that it changed the weather in Minnesota, where I was growing up. Human CO2 emissions are 100 times what that eruption emitted - per year.