• notaviking@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Well Mao really did fuck up, luckily successive presidents opened up their economies that led to mostly their great success

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      4 days ago

      Mao’s economic policies were actually generally positive, and represented rapid growth. Towards the latter stages, policies like the Cultural Revolution, however, ended up as an overall failure, and the Gang of Four was even more ultraleft. The Reform and Opening Up period did add growth, but only slightly, what it really accomplished was stable growth. The ability to course correct and consistently apply Marxist-Leninist analysis has been their key to success, adopting Reform and Opening Up during Mao’s period may have led to damaging the economy more than helping it, new policies were needed in new stages of development.

      • notaviking@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        I feel the biggest drift Deng Xiaoping basically enacted, that I believe, was to move away from the level of central state control Mao was enacting, why, I believe, some autonomy led to their success and stable growth.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          4 days ago

          Deng didn’t move away from state control, really, he opened up the economy more to the foreign market. The economy still had a private sector under Mao, it wasn’t a fully planned state economy. People often see the shift from Mao to Deng as larger than it actually was, Mao wasn’t a hyper-accelerationist Communist and Deng a hyper-Capitalist.

          To a degree, the “pruned market” strategy of Deng helped accelerate growth, but the impact was marginal compared to the stability it brought to growth. See Socialism Developed China, not Capitalism.

          • notaviking@lemmy.world
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            4 days ago

            Yeah I don’t see Deng as a hyper capitalist, and I do have issues with him, but when reading on China I saw this, and I only did light reading, like 2 or 3 web pages, so I was viewing this from my point of view, mostly identify as a Liberal in a classic sense. I could have missed some points and thank you for your opinions, I feel we should always try to not see everything through only our point of views. Like China is one of the greatest success stories where if I look at graphs on wiki since 1995-ish they have grown and uplifted the largest group of people from poverty to middle income. No one can deny the Chinese miracle.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              4 days ago

              Sure, nobody can deny the Chinese Miracle. What’s important is recognizing why it works correctly, they call it Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. It’s dominated by public ownership of large firms and key industries, and has private ownership and cooperative for smaller and medium firms that are heavily guided by state planning. It goes against liberalism, because it’s based on Marxism-Leninism.

              Here’s a study guide for Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, and here’s a shorter article on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.