They tell you to open up and talk about your emotions, to be vulnerable and they leave you cause you’re weak, and spread rumors about your sexuality (because straight men arent supposed to have feelings) when you do.
You ask for help, and you get ridiculed and called weak and told endless stories about how hard real victims/women have it.
Anything you do except suffer in silence is unacceptable.
And just by the gods make sure you don’t make your silent suffering to noticeable to impact others, because god damn then the ridicule and the “well ackshually”-ing about other peoples suffering will really start.
You’re technically right. But the fundamental flaw in your logic is not obeying the #1 rule in everyone’s life (at least it should be) :
Keep toxic people out of your life, no matter their sex. Women can be the same pieces of shit that men can be. The statistical quantification or prevalence by trend doesn’t matter. Keep. Them. Out. Period. Family, friend, coworkers, significant others? Whatever. OUT!
And if you end up being totally lonely by this? Well. Still better being totally lonely than being under the foot of an arsehole just not to be lonely.
There are awesome people out there. You just got to weed out a legion of sand before finding a pearl. Or two.
You can’t fix the world, but you can at least influence who you personally interact with. Easier said than done, but any little incremental improvement still means today is better than yesterday.
Hopefully the folks on here have been mostly good to you!
There are shelters for men. You can find them for example here (this is for Canada): Men and Families Canada
There’s a certain irony here, as Men and Families Canada was started by the Canadian Association For Equality (CAFE). CAFE who got their first real taste of gendered bullshit when they tried to do a series of talks on men’s issues at the University of Toronto c. 2012, starting with one about suicide in men. Angry feminist protests ensued.
Ever seen the “Big Red” antifeminist meme? She’s a real person and she became a meme because of these protests, in which at one point she was basically shouting a Jezebel article at the crowd and calling anyone who tried to engage things like “fuckface”. She became the meme shorthand for “angry feminist” for a good while afterward as a consequence.
EDIT: Gave the wrong year, I apologize. Corrected.
Specifically that you have gone out of your way to defend feminism and express disdain for anyone that isn’t all on board with feminism or sees feminists as often being obstacles to dealing with men’s issues and then use the CCMF shelter as your first example of the services available. CCMF (and their parent org CAFE) who have been criticized, challenged, etc at basically every step until fairly recently and that nearly exclusively by those doing so under the banner of feminism.
Those are regarding their men’s help center that predates the shelter.
There’s a feminist blogger they quote in that second article with lines like: “I think they work really hard to discredit the feminist movement and to kind of take back a lot of the gains that women have made” and “They’re basically an anti-feminist organization and they’re kind of masquerading this as ‘oh well, it’s just for disenfranchised men’ when they kind of have an ulterior agenda.” Do those statements sound similar to things that have been said in this thread? Including I believe by you?
Going further back their parent organization CAFE got it’s first taste of both trying to touch on men’s issues and also being protested by feminists when they tried to do a series of talks on men’s issues in 2012 at University of Toronto. Here’s a video of the first such talk, so you can see the kind of thing they were protesting (warning: this is the entire talk so it’s two and a half hours long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4
Yep, the shitty thing is that it’s generally other men that are the problem when it comes to “less manly” things like getting abused by a woman. Since every man is “supposed” to be tough you’re generally thought of as weak if you admit to something like this. I say this as another guy.
Yeap, nobody cares about men
No one does.
They tell you to open up and talk about your emotions, to be vulnerable and they leave you cause you’re weak, and spread rumors about your sexuality (because straight men arent supposed to have feelings) when you do.
You ask for help, and you get ridiculed and called weak and told endless stories about how hard real victims/women have it.
Anything you do except suffer in silence is unacceptable.
And just by the gods make sure you don’t make your silent suffering to noticeable to impact others, because god damn then the ridicule and the “well ackshually”-ing about other peoples suffering will really start.
You’re technically right. But the fundamental flaw in your logic is not obeying the #1 rule in everyone’s life (at least it should be) :
Keep toxic people out of your life, no matter their sex. Women can be the same pieces of shit that men can be. The statistical quantification or prevalence by trend doesn’t matter. Keep. Them. Out. Period. Family, friend, coworkers, significant others? Whatever. OUT!
And if you end up being totally lonely by this? Well. Still better being totally lonely than being under the foot of an arsehole just not to be lonely.
There are awesome people out there. You just got to weed out a legion of sand before finding a pearl. Or two.
Wisdoms of an old, misanthropic, eremitic fart.
Rarely do I ever hear such sage wisdom, well said!
I think you need to re-evaluate the people you surround yourself with, friend.
Gonna have to find me a whole new intelligent species if you don’t want to be surrounded by a society that does this.
You can’t fix the world, but you can at least influence who you personally interact with. Easier said than done, but any little incremental improvement still means today is better than yesterday.
Hopefully the folks on here have been mostly good to you!
Society does those things.
Friends don’t.
Yeah, being a man hasn’t changed over the years.
Those who succumb to feminist bullshit aren’t rewarded; they’re chastised.
Has nothing to do with feminism.
Its this toxic idea of stoicism, that men arent supposed to be anything but strong and not feel anything but anger, thats the problem.
It actually has a lot to do with feminism.
As soon as men start behaving like women, they start being less attractive to women.
Women won’t tell you this, so you’ll have to figure it out yourself using your powers of observation.
Yeah, no.
There are shelters for men. You can find them for example here (this is for Canada): Men and Families Canada
1-866-887-0015 for male sexual abuse survivors toll-free 24/7
Menand Canada for further resources
Heads-up Guys Canada especially for mental health issues
This is a list based in Ontario with additional helplines and resources in Canada also for women, indigenous people, LGBTQ+ and other minorities.
There’s a certain irony here, as Men and Families Canada was started by the Canadian Association For Equality (CAFE). CAFE who got their first real taste of gendered bullshit when they tried to do a series of talks on men’s issues at the University of Toronto c. 2012, starting with one about suicide in men. Angry feminist protests ensued.
Ever seen the “Big Red” antifeminist meme? She’s a real person and she became a meme because of these protests, in which at one point she was basically shouting a Jezebel article at the crowd and calling anyone who tried to engage things like “fuckface”. She became the meme shorthand for “angry feminist” for a good while afterward as a consequence.
EDIT: Gave the wrong year, I apologize. Corrected.
Well yeah, some feminists suck. That had little to do with their comment though.
Where is the irony?
Specifically that you have gone out of your way to defend feminism and express disdain for anyone that isn’t all on board with feminism or sees feminists as often being obstacles to dealing with men’s issues and then use the CCMF shelter as your first example of the services available. CCMF (and their parent org CAFE) who have been criticized, challenged, etc at basically every step until fairly recently and that nearly exclusively by those doing so under the banner of feminism.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/controversial-mens-help-centre-opens-in-toronto-183022931.html https://globalnews.ca/news/1676642/controversial-centre-for-men-opens-in-toronto-amid-criticism/
Those are regarding their men’s help center that predates the shelter.
There’s a feminist blogger they quote in that second article with lines like: “I think they work really hard to discredit the feminist movement and to kind of take back a lot of the gains that women have made” and “They’re basically an anti-feminist organization and they’re kind of masquerading this as ‘oh well, it’s just for disenfranchised men’ when they kind of have an ulterior agenda.” Do those statements sound similar to things that have been said in this thread? Including I believe by you?
Going further back their parent organization CAFE got it’s first taste of both trying to touch on men’s issues and also being protested by feminists when they tried to do a series of talks on men’s issues in 2012 at University of Toronto. Here’s a video of the first such talk, so you can see the kind of thing they were protesting (warning: this is the entire talk so it’s two and a half hours long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4
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Not even men?
Yep, the shitty thing is that it’s generally other men that are the problem when it comes to “less manly” things like getting abused by a woman. Since every man is “supposed” to be tough you’re generally thought of as weak if you admit to something like this. I say this as another guy.
Gay men do
Some people do. I do.
Society ingeneral does not…
That’s kind of a hyperbole, there are resources and advocates for men in Canada.