In order to get the stats you desire, how are you quantifying undocumented people?
Is it by apprehensions and expulsions? Because you could argue there that border security is better/ more effective if that number was higher. It doesn’t necessarily indicate if there are more or less immigrants, just how many were captured and returned.
So please help me help you make your argument. What stats exactly am I looking for?
Look at this graph. And then ask yourself what changed from 2020 to 2021. No laws changed. But the biden regime came into power and opened the borders. Now we will be supporting these people via higher taxes for decades.
This statistic lumps all apprehensions and expulsions as “encounters”, and like my previous response this isn’t quite because of “opening the borders”. Actually here’s a good explanation of why these numbers are so high:
The Border Patrol recorded nearly 1.7 million encounters in the fiscal year that ended in September. That is the most ever recorded in a fiscal year. But keep in mind that more than 1 million of those migrants were quickly expelled under a controversial public health order known as Title 42 that began in 2020 under former President Trump and continues under President Biden. So many of these migrants were actually counted more than once in the total figures.
Also a good bit about what kind of power Presidents actually have at migrants showing up:
To me, the factors that drive migration are not entirely under the control of Washington. I mean, the Trump administration tried deterrents. It tried family separation and Remain in Mexico, but migrants kept coming - you know, nearly a million in fiscal year 2019. The Biden administration has focused instead on trying to tackle the root causes of migration. But these are not problems with quick fixes. I mean, migrants are facing poverty and food insecurity and lack of basic safety in their home countries. And meanwhile, like Carrie said, the U.S. has jobs. So, you know, the fundamental push and pull factors don’t really change no matter who is in the White House.
No problem. If you cannot accept the simple fact that Illegal aliens increased dramatically once the biden regime took over then there are no set of facts that will convince you. But please don’t complain when your taxes, especially property taxes, go up because the schools are fucked with all the illegals now in the school system. And…if you don’t own a house but rent… remember the owner where you rent will have an increase in their property taxes and they will be passing it all along to you in a rent increase
Yeah, I’m not going to blindly accept some rando’s fearmongering that I could hear by turning on literally any conservative media outlet and be suddenly convinced, you’re just stating a hypothetical scenario from sources who no doubt tell you what you want to hear. I provided a source above to information that clashes with the narrative you are describing. It is your choice on how you follow up with it. Clearly you went a less constructive route.
Everything noted in your response is conjecture:
property taxes are already high af so that’s not the bogeyman you think it is
how are schools fucked with undocumented immigrant’s children in the school system? Can you explain the mechanism behind that?
rental increases are currently driven mostly by greed. I’m in a mostly white area where a majority of the population was born and raised here and my rent has 2x in the last 4 years. That’s not because of undocumented immigrants in another state. That’s because limited inventory on the market + COVID-era supply shortages + inflation caused in large part by greed and Trump-era money printing led property owners to inflate rental costs as demand for housing rose and their value increased.
I would love to see some kind of data that backs up your arguments. You sent me some, and I sent you a deeper dive into that data to refute the conclusion you arrived at with it along with a counterpoint about the limitations that affect any President with this particular problem.
You have a strange definition of the term “facts”. Like, if I said “it’s a fact that my shit is literally gold at a molecular level” does that make it so? No! You would expect something from me to back up my claims. And I expect you to be able to back up yours if you’re actually trying to convince anyone of anything.
Some people live in the alternate reality of what the media tells them are the facts. Others live in the real world and experience in their own lives how certain political policies are fucking them. Maybe fantasyland is comforting. Especially for those who actually voted for people who have made their lives much worse off
And some people are still waiting for examples, data, literally anything beyond a single persons anecdotal experience before they’re willing to believe any of it because they call BS and explained why.
If you refuse to see the reality of what is happening to the cities where the Illegals are poring in I can’t help you with articles and stats. NYC, per example is totally fucked with illegal aliens. They are kicking kids out of some schools, closing them, and turning them into shelters for illegal aliens. Even the leftist mayor of NYC is now considering ending “sanctuary city” status of NYC. Those are undeniable facts.
It’s not that I refuse to see it, it’s that I see no evidence of it. That’s why I’m asking for anything beyond your colorful monologues, like this one.
In order to get the stats you desire, how are you quantifying undocumented people?
Is it by apprehensions and expulsions? Because you could argue there that border security is better/ more effective if that number was higher. It doesn’t necessarily indicate if there are more or less immigrants, just how many were captured and returned.
So please help me help you make your argument. What stats exactly am I looking for?
Look at this graph. And then ask yourself what changed from 2020 to 2021. No laws changed. But the biden regime came into power and opened the borders. Now we will be supporting these people via higher taxes for decades.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/ft_21-11-01_mexicoborder_1a/
This statistic lumps all apprehensions and expulsions as “encounters”, and like my previous response this isn’t quite because of “opening the borders”. Actually here’s a good explanation of why these numbers are so high:
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068895454/president-biden-promised-to-reform-immigration-policy-how-has-that-been-going
Also a good bit about what kind of power Presidents actually have at migrants showing up:
No problem. If you cannot accept the simple fact that Illegal aliens increased dramatically once the biden regime took over then there are no set of facts that will convince you. But please don’t complain when your taxes, especially property taxes, go up because the schools are fucked with all the illegals now in the school system. And…if you don’t own a house but rent… remember the owner where you rent will have an increase in their property taxes and they will be passing it all along to you in a rent increase
Yeah, I’m not going to blindly accept some rando’s fearmongering that I could hear by turning on literally any conservative media outlet and be suddenly convinced, you’re just stating a hypothetical scenario from sources who no doubt tell you what you want to hear. I provided a source above to information that clashes with the narrative you are describing. It is your choice on how you follow up with it. Clearly you went a less constructive route.
Everything noted in your response is conjecture:
I would love to see some kind of data that backs up your arguments. You sent me some, and I sent you a deeper dive into that data to refute the conclusion you arrived at with it along with a counterpoint about the limitations that affect any President with this particular problem.
You have a strange definition of the term “facts”. Like, if I said “it’s a fact that my shit is literally gold at a molecular level” does that make it so? No! You would expect something from me to back up my claims. And I expect you to be able to back up yours if you’re actually trying to convince anyone of anything.
Some people live in the alternate reality of what the media tells them are the facts. Others live in the real world and experience in their own lives how certain political policies are fucking them. Maybe fantasyland is comforting. Especially for those who actually voted for people who have made their lives much worse off
And some people are still waiting for examples, data, literally anything beyond a single persons anecdotal experience before they’re willing to believe any of it because they call BS and explained why.
My mind is open, educate me.
If you refuse to see the reality of what is happening to the cities where the Illegals are poring in I can’t help you with articles and stats. NYC, per example is totally fucked with illegal aliens. They are kicking kids out of some schools, closing them, and turning them into shelters for illegal aliens. Even the leftist mayor of NYC is now considering ending “sanctuary city” status of NYC. Those are undeniable facts.
It’s not that I refuse to see it, it’s that I see no evidence of it. That’s why I’m asking for anything beyond your colorful monologues, like this one.