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My surprised Pikachu meme died a while ago. Pretend I’m posting him here.
no fucking shit. idiots.
All the crummy neo-lib takes makes me regret having voted for it to begin with. I compromised myself for the sake of damage control and I’m furious about it. I consider a neo-liberal as no better than MAGAt because when the mask comes off, they aren’t.
We’ve seen the mask of humanity fall off, and we’re asked not to believe what we’ve seen with our own eyes. It’s absolutely disgusting. I’ve seen liberals call not wanting to support an actual genocide a purity test. I’ve seen them refer to billions in military aid for a genocide “not perfect” (the implication being “good enough for me”).
Now, finally, American fascism is turning inward. They finally feel even just 1% of the violence they’ve been meting out on the rest of the world for decades, under every single president since Eisenhower. They deserve all of it, and more.
Yeah, I often think about that post that goes something like, “Donald Trump has done more damage to the American Empire and its propaganda machine than the last few decades of leftist organizing.”
I don’t like it. But I’m not sure it’s wrong either lmao
Good thing we don’t all get what we deserve.
The neolibs are usually treating LGBTQ+ folks and immigrants as remotely human, as opposed to targets. Even if you find the two parties to be woefully similar on too many big issues, please remember that, for as long as we exist in the shit system where election day really only lets you meaningfully choose between these two shitty parties, the lives of disenfranchised and vulnerable people do sit in one of the areas of difference where your vote could change something.
Nah sorry, at some point it’s on the Dems to pick an electable candidate. People act like it’s just leftists being unreasonable but the majority of Dem voters are pissed at the DNC. Responsibility isn’t a one sided thing here, you can’t expect a dog to be loyal if you keep kicking it.
I fully agree that the Democrat party needs to get its shit together, or more realistically torn down and rebuilt. Just also saying that, when all is said and done and it comes time for the general election, I’m going to place my vote where it’s going to do the most to deny, or at least delay, authoritarians.
Neo-libs treat LGBTQ and immigrants as just another group of ppl to exploit for financial gain. Pretending they actually give a shit about anyone other than themselves is naive
Never said they gave a shit, just noting that - at minimum - they don’t seem to be shouting as loudly that they should be denied medical care, deported, etc. I will continue to do what is reasonably within my power, means, and capacity to work for a society that is fair and equal for all. If an election comes around that only meaningfully lets me choose between two piles of shit, I will choose the less smelly one rather than abstain.
“Please endorse the systemic murder of tens of thousands of children so I can maintain safety and comfort without needing to push for a candidate who will maintain my safety and comfort without carpet bombing babies.”
Sorry, no.
Also, remind me, those photos of Border Patrol agents whipping Haitian immigrants at the border… which administration was that under again?
Remind me, why did Dems refuse to codify abortion protections when they had a supermajority under Obama?
Dems don’t treat LGBTQ / immigrants as human, they treat them as chess pieces. They just play them with a different strategy than Republicans.
I absolutely do not support the Democrat party writ large, and especially not on the willful disregard for genocide and other atrocities. Don’t decide for me that that is my stance, or put those words in my mouth and effectively tell other people that is how I feel.
My core point is that, Democrats seem to be less vocally approving/encouraging about stochastic terrorism against LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, and other marginalized groups, whether they are privately seeing them as chess pieces or human beings.
If one group is shouting that my cousins are subhuman trash undeserving of equal treatment and dog whistling support for people who advocate violence against them, and the other group is at least not encouraging the same violence, then my cousins would seem to be safer under the second group.
I advocate loudly for party reform or replacement and consider that to be the more important part of civic duty in this arena. When it comes time for an election, past when we can do a lot to change which two people actually have a chance to win a presidency, I will cast my vote for the one less likely to get my cousins killed.
If words and theater alone are sufficient to appease you, if the death of innocent human beings overseas is an acceptable price for the protection of those close to you, then that’s your prerogative. If that is the case, though, then I will not be quiet about how revolting I find your moral calculus to be. And I have no doubt that my nonbinary, immigrant partner would share in my disgust, doubly so if you feigned it to somehow be in her interest.
Do your cousins think that protecting them from harsh rhetoric is an acceptable exchange for the genocide of children? Or are you doing it solely for your own comfort? Because, while we’re sharing anecdotes, if it’s the former, then I suspect that my transgender, pro-Palestine cousin might like to have a word with them.
Jesus, you seem to relish in imagining my meaning to be so opposed to your own. Obviously words and theater enough aren’t alone. I think I made that clear. I also think we are done talking, since it doesn’t seem to matter what I say.
Indeed, I don’t think I can convince you that the deaths of Palestinians should take precedence over the hypothetical discomfort, or even danger, of those closest to you. I can’t convince you that all human beings are of equal value. You’re on your own there.
You don’t need to, I already agree with you on that point.
But the Democrats said they had to support genocide for the voters.
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Democrats can only win the election if they support the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank
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The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris
Listen, Donald Trump is the worst. The absolute worst. Therefore, Democrats should be allowed to endorse a genocide to win an election. Anyone who disagrees is basically Russian.
The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris
And you definitely should not mention the part where Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote, even including Libertarians who usually lean right. Blue MAGA is as hostile towards that basic fact as Red MAGA is towards… most basic facts.
EDIT: See? Downvotes for basic, verifiable math lol
Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote
Obviously it wasn’t just the third party voters who betrayed her, but all the non-voters as well.
She ran the perfect campaign, but was stabbed in the back!
I mean, you didn’t do the math, why should we?
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The sensible liberal centrist position to take is “a bit of genocide”. So instead of sending 35 billion in military aid, you send 20. It’s called realpolitik, and it’s the adult thing to do.
That’s why they grovelled in front of Kissinger.
Ya, no shit.
Theuniparty requires unconditional support for Israel
Republicans support Israel. Democrats support Israel. Republicans are worse. Therefore, you must support Israel or the Republicans win.
No, shut up. We will not cancel your student debt. We will not expand Medicare or Medicaid ever again. In fact, we’re rolling back all those COVID extensions Trump signed, because we need to focus on the national debt. Progressive policies are TOO EXPENSIVE. And now I’m sending Israel another $10B to fight ISIS or Hamas or whatever, idk anymore.
If you keep complaining, I’m going to assume you’re one of those Bernie Sanders Chinese Communist bot accounts.
Why would anyone waste their time studying something that’s blatantly obvious?
Can someone conduct a study to confirm that hot is hot and cold is cold?
Cause they get to pay themselves millions of donated dollars to do this study and then get paid millions more to come up with an Ad campaign to “fix” it
And that campaign, we need more Republican voters and to ignore the left entirely!
You fuckwits got what you wanted. Deal with it.
The only thing to blame for her defeat is the American republican voters who are too fucking stupid and selfish to not be complete assholes. There is always things one could have done better, not having done perfect is just reality.
There’s not being perfect and there’s supporting a genocide. She deserves the blame
So just like Trump? Harris isn’t the one planning on profiting from real estate development in the gaza ffs. That’s who Republicans voted for.
Doesn’t really matter what happens after if the original goal is the mass murder and elimination of a culture. If I was Palestinian I would’ve sat out the election. Its easy to complain when no one you actually know was being bombed in an open air prison.
Americans are complaining about ICE arresting children and shooting citizens but thats been happening in Palestine for decades.
One of the two options will get chosen. Abstaining only increases the chance the worse of the options for you is more likely. Being a single issue voter and not voting if that single issue isn’t what you want is irresponsible to yourself. Whoever wins will affect your life in a myriad of ways beyond that single issue and throwing away your influence over that, as small as it may be, is simply foolish. If you aren’t also participating in the systems that choose the candidates, nevermind finding and supporting politicians who do reflect your values, you’re doing a disservice to yourself.
There is no worse option than a genocide. And last I checked there was no primary last election. This was about the presidential election.
You folks who try to shame Arabs/Muslims for sitting out the last election get on my nerves. Refusing the false choice of youre ppls extermination and likening it to single issue voting spits on their struggle. Its the equivalent of telling a black person in 1968 that not voting Nixon because hes a massive racist makes them foolish single issue voters.
The issue and the demographic of the voter are immaterial. If you refuse to vote based on one issue then you give up your influence over all the other issues as well. You don’t have to like it or think it’s just, or fair, or right. It’s about whether you will use the political power you do have to influence the things that will affect you or not.
Being Arab or Muslim or black or white or Christian or athiest or young or old, or anything else, doesn’t matter in regard to whether you use the power you have or not.
“No, it is the children who are wrong”
Children are stupid and ignorant, so yes, often wrong.
Your diseased “lesser evil” dogma is how we got to the point where supporting the modern-day holocaust is framed as “not having done perfect”.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is life. Welcome to it. You don’t always get to choose your options and mitigating the worst is a responsibility. Trump was easily the worst, and also supports the genocide. But Republicans couldn’t seem to figure that out. Apparently just like you.
Weird, I didn’t choose either evil but I’m still alive.
Yes, I meant you risked death…
You said “choosing the lesser of two evils is life”. And yet I lived without doing so. Almost like it’s not an inevitable aspect of life. Almost like you cling to that narrative as a cognitive tool, something to contextualize your actions as inevitable and unavoidable in order to avoid the guilt you’re rightfully due for endorsing genocidaires to run the most powerful military our species has ever known.
Anyway, leftists are apparently such a powerful segment of the electorate that you blame us for Democrats losing. You know what that’s called in politics? Leverage. We can make you lose, according to your own narrative. Guess you better start listening to our demands unless you want to keep losing. We’re in charge, after all. You just said so.
“What do you mean by life, then?” Is what you could have asked but instead you wrote two paragraphs arguing against the strawman you created for yourself to play with. I won’t get in the way, keep playing with yourself.
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If you voted against Harris because of her Gaza stance, or daresay… voted for Trump because you thought he’d do a better job, congratulations, you elected a candidate who probably has his head even further up Netanyahu’s arse than the Biden Administration did…
You reap what you sow.
a candidate who probably has his head even further up Netanyahu’s arse
You’re not even sure are you.
I’m sorry that I understand how a two-party state run by two ruling parties funded by billionaire lobbyists works…
I understand
oh do you now? And yet centrist opinions like yours lost the last election and the dem party lost votes across nearly every demographic of the Dem base voters. Seems your “understanding” is flawed.
I’m not from the US so you can’t really say that I lost.
I live in the UK where we are facing a similar predicament. A lot of people vote on class lines and for the same two parties based on the lesser-of-two-evils because they don’t want to waste their vote and give the worse party power.
The difference is that our two main establishment parties (the Conservatives and Labour) have catastrophically fucked things up over the past fifteen years, and now a MAGA-like far-right party headed by Nigel Farage is being overwhelmingly pushed by the press. People here overwhelmingly disagree with things like zero-hours contracts and privatizing the NHS, yet haven’t read into any of Reform UK’s policies and will vote for Farage anyway because he seems a bit more charismatic and the media oligarchs are heavily pushing him.
Hopefully you are not as doomed as we are in the US.
Please explain to me how any voters thought taco would be better for Palestine than Harris. His whole family is biddy-biddy with bibi.
Off topic. This is about how they did a study proving this hurt public opinion and voter turnout by their agreed messaging about Palestine being an acceptable loss for donor satisfaction.
Can we look at those facts and realize that there may need to be adjustment in Democratic party since they are the focus of what this is and what needs to change instead if getting stuck on the emotional rage bit?
It turns out that this model of voter behavior where everyone always falls in line behind the “lesser evil” and therefore the best strategy is to take the left for granted while bending over backwards for the centrists, is complete bullshit.
Sure let’s blame the scapegoat so we don’t have to say America has a racism and sexism problems.
Every time I bring this up people down vote me into oblivion and I expect this post to be no different but I’ll keep trying until we can maybe admit it and figure out what to do.
Every time I bring this up people down vote me into oblivion
This is because you’re parroting blue MAGA nonsense while ignoring reality. Racism and sexism can certainly play into it, but you’re never going to be able to turn things around if you ignore other contributing factors and just go “I can’t hear you over the racism and sexism in your voice,” as you shove your fingers in your ears.
Attributing everything to racism and sexism when there is a massive and glaring factor that even the DNCs own internal audits place higher priority on, is like walking up to the scene of a car accident, seeing the black ice on the road and the skid marks leading up to the tree the car is wrapped around, and concluding this wouldn’t have happened if the driver had kept up with their scheduled oil changes. Nobody is going to take your analysis seriously when you ignore all the other contributing factors.
Why didn’t the racism affect Obama’s presidential campaign? But let’s be clear, the popular vote between Harris and Trump was very close.
- Trump - 77,303,568 - 49.81%
- Harris - 75,019,230 - 48.34%
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It’s more sexism than racism regarding Harris.
Then why bring up the racism? Unless it is for moral superiority. Also Clinton won the popular vote and one of the highest approval ratings in congress is Elizabeth Warren.
Its just far easier to accept a reality you make up so that it is simpler and you understand it. Unfortunately that isn’t the real world. Don’t make your world in your head racist and misogynistic cause it is easy.
Don’t pretend it is normal.I didn’t. I just believe there’s still a huge contingent of men on both parties who would never vote a woman president. It simply is not a right only thing.
The last Hamas attack, which caused the latest outbreak of Palestinian slaughter, was set up by Hamas and Netanyahu, who has always supported Hamas, for the purposes of throwing the US election in Trumps favour.
They knew the useful idiots among the young left would ignore critical thought and straight up blame the Democrat Party. They were right.
This was obvious the moment we found out Hamas was attacking Israeli villages.
Hook, line and sinker. It’s an absolute tragedy that Palestinians were used for this to begin. It’s just as big a tragedy that the people they need support from have turned away.
Netanyahu and Trump are the enemies, not the Democrat Party. They’re getting away with it. Reading these comments here, they still are.
I mean… Im not sure anyone can really plan that far ahead. Mossad would love to have all the plaudits though.
Hamas has always been in bed with Netanyahu. It’d be pretty simple for them to find the time to plan this.
