Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):

  1. USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
  2. “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
  • Why does the USA love Israel so much?
  • What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
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    Pedolini’s boss netynahu has videos of him raping and killing children because Epstein was Mossad and Netanyahu has been trying to get the United States to attack Iran for 40 years. Israel is a settler colonialist project that is using pseudoscience and the political ideology of Zionism to annex land and commit genocide against the indigenous population. Israel’s imperial goal is to control most of the Middle East as an empire. They have bribed and blackmailed most of our politicians for decades and America is now going into deep debt to realize the “greater Israel project”. It is basically manifest destiny reborn

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    If you want a very good in depth answer: https://youtu.be/7y_hbz6loEo

    The gist of it is that the USA, KSA, and Israel all want Iran’s current government to be toppled as they are a direct military/economic/political threat.

    What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?

    Israel is an ethnostate so they do ethnostate things, which means constantly attacking anyone they view as “not us”. Iran happens to be on the top of that list after Israel’s former enemies, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, and KSA were passified via the US or Britain.

    The US and KSA also want to secure their oil regime, and now that Venezuela is dealt with, Iran is next.

    Why does the USA love Israel so much?

    They have a significant economic and military investment in Israel, and many of those Israeli billionaires are a part of AIPAC, which successfully lobbies the US to do what they want.

    A bonus is Christian zionism which reinforces the idea that Israel must exist to cause the second coming of christ, or the messiah for the Jewish zionists.

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      Don’t forget when you have retarded Republicans and an Alt right religious nutcase or the Button administration you get some very crazy people. Remember God is a good motivator for these people to rationalize raping children. They don’t care about God’s message their own delusion is fueling it. Similar to ISIS levels of crazies.

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    At the most basic level, the Trump admin likely has plans to make bank on it. Perhaps bribes or “deals” with oil companies, Israel, weapons manufacturers, etc.

    Also, a part of the MAGA coalition consists of Zionists (the Evangelical Christians and Zionists Jews [both are death cults, IMO]), which makes it easier for Trump to do these things without too much opposition from MAGA. And, groups like AIPAC have been somewhat successful at tipping the scales of US elections against politicians that don’t support Israel.

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    The 1% has divided the working class along imaginary lines on a map. We will fight, suffer, and die until we all collectively realize that our leadership class is more our enemy then the working class of whatever nation we are fighting.

    But that is just lame nerd shit. we should blow shit up and flex our dicks on the world stage because our lives are so empty we need something to keep us busy. Or else we would wonder why we cant feed, house, and care for everyone despite our unprecedented technological development.

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    To answer why, I have a theory. (I apologize beforehand for any ignorance, I only know a very minimal history of US - Iran)

    1. Government. The US has wanted to control Iran from a long time, and succeded once in 1953. When the revolution of 1979 happened, they lost their hold in Iran’s goverment. They have constantly been trying to topple Khamenei’s regime since then. Khamenei was getting old, and if he names a successor and they come to power, the current regime system will be cemented and more difficult to overthrow from outside. And I think the release of Epstein files has accelerated the whole process, since the connections between politicians/influential people of various countries and the US/Israel are getting revealed to the world.

    2. Oil. After the Russio-Ukraine war started, America has been trying to stop countries from buying Russian oil and make them buy crude oil from American companies. The US needs to get hold of two things now - Oil wells (Venezuela, Arabia, Iran, I think Palestine too, I’m not sure) and trade routes. Iran has control over the Strait of Hormuz , which transports about 1/4th of world crude oil trade.

    3. Dollar. Both Maduro and Khamenei were trying to change the currency of oil trade, that is the American dollar.(This goes back to some agreement made between USA and Saudi Arabia)

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      This seems like a very logical and reasonable assessment, but I always wonder, somebody HAS to know this.

      As in, the bomber pilots don’t know what their mission is really about, the generals just follow orders, but who decides on this?

      Trump is too old/stupid to come up with such plans, so who is pulling the strings? His cabinet? The heads of the oil companies? How deep does this go? Also, it seems to permeate different administrations at this point.

      I realise there’s probably no clear answer here, just wondering.

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        but who decides on this?

        The US government? There is no one person behind this. This has been their foreign policy for decades. The US administration, as an imperialist entity, is acting like this.

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    THE FILES WERE MADE TO START WARS. This multinational blackmail campaign has been running since the 80s to let a handful of rich men(and Ghislaine and her sister) control countries, industries, resources, borders and anything else they want.

    Also a bunch of billionaires want more money, feudalism, Skynet, the literal Rapture, and other competing bad ideas.

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    1. Republicans since the 60s have only ever had two ideas: invade countries and lower taxes on the rich.

    2. Trump is surrounded by republicans and is a 90 yr old narcissist. He either has dementia or doesn’t give a fuck what happens

    3. he has reached new levels of unpopularity due to his status as an epstein style sex predator of kids, his killing of americans in an attempt to punish ‘santuary cities’ by violating the constitution using ICE as a political tool, as well as tariff bullshit.

    4. trump when in a pinch tries to do a new “newsworthy event” to reset the news cycles. Often it will be some advisor of his that has the idea. Its clear that being surrounded by republicans “invade iran” is probably a regular mantra.

    5. he needed a new diversion and “invade iran” was one of the few ideas left.

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    That “some reason” is their governments are the same entity. Israel is the USA and vice versa. This is essentially why Iran attacked USA military bases, not because the USA also attacked them. Both entities share the unashamed tendency to expand as an empire, against international law. Israel sees Iran as their only real menace close to them. Imagine China in Central America. Why now? That’s Trump and the Epstein case variable. What gains the USA? They are loosing all kinds of influence against China and Russia, they are trying to regain hegemony through oil and the dollar.

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    To distract from Epstein prosecutions. Also, war is a great cover for unpopular domestic policy.

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    Its a lot of things all at once, theres the control of the oil, control of a shipping route, undoing what the cia did, then theres also the biblical side where they are trying to fulfil prophecies to bring on the second coming of Jesus (to probably install a figurehead to use to control people), also this helps Israel get the biblical lands back, which they so obviously want, also they want to get rid of the Shiite Muslims across the world, also theres real estate opportunities for these rich assholes to cash in on, like they’re already out doing with gaza, the board of peace is just an auction house. It also distracts from the failing economy and the tariffs, the ice Gestapo, the authoritative fascist dictatorship that the US has become, the technocracy thats being implemented to replace the current system, its also a giant man baby who keeps getting his ego bruised, who will punish the haters for their slights against him, could be he’s full blown Dementia boy now and no ones stopping him from doing insane shit. Could legit be a peace operation, but the last one’s more of a fantasy than the others.

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    So this is one where actually it really makes no sense for the US to attack Iran - this comes down to a bad president making impulsive decisions. It certainly benefits Israel. Trump seems to think he is untouchable after attacking Iran last year and kidnapping Venezuela’s president. This war seems to be him shooting from the hip and not being restrained by those around him from making very bad decisions.

    From a US strategic point of view, it can’t achieve regime change in Iran by bombing the country (it’d need troops on the ground) and it has low supplies of air defence munitions thanks to selling stocks to Ukraine and also using up some supplies in it’s 2 day war against Iran in 2025. Going to war now is foolhardy - Iran just needs to prolong this war beyond a few weeks and the US will be in trouble. It will need to pivot to a defensive posture to protect its allies in the region as defenses run out, which will be tough and cost US servicemen and women’s lives. It will also cost a fortune to prosecute this war without any real benefit.

    US allies in the middle east have been drawn into a conflict they certainly didn’t want, global trade will be disrupted by closing the Strait of Hormuz (a very major shipping route), oil prices will spike and could stay high if oil infrastructure is damaged in the war, air traffic will remain disrupted and the gulf states economic hub plans (building up Dubai as an Economic centre etc) will be damaged. It’s possible this could even tilt the global economy to recession, or even precipitate an earlier end to the AI stock-market bubble.

    This war is looking like a major strategic blunder by the US; more stupid than the Vietnam war (which was at least thought-out by strategists). Its likely the Pentagon was against this war, but sadly Trump and his clown-car cabinet are pulling the shots. It’s a war that’s goals cannot be achieved, yet will costly the longer it runs.

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    Trump is torn between the neoconservatives like Rubio, formally bolton etc, and Israel that want regime change and his own unwillingness to go full troops on the ground. The neocons successfully get trump to blow up Obama era deals designed to keep the peace by catering to Trump’s ego telling him he can get a better deal than Obama, in reality they don’t want a deal and want to escalate but this is the best they can get.

    So trump goes to the negotiating table only to find out that Obama’s deal is the best he can get. Frustrated and unwilling to admit Obama was just as good a negotiator as him he begins to blame the leaders for their intransigence. The longer this goes on the dumber he looks for blowing up the original deal and not being able to get a new one, all the while Iran is enriching more uranium to try and push the US to accept the old deal.

    Then Venezuela happens and he comes up with a new plan, if you can’t change the deal you can at least change the negotiating team. He can take out the leader, use them as a scapegoat for the long stalled negotiations, sign the same deal and call it a win. Maduro repeatedly said he was willing to play ball with Trump but it would be on similar grounds to the Obama era deal but trump couldn’t go back to the US and say he re-imoosed all these sanctions for nothing, so he took out Maduro, got a reason to declare victory and went home.

    My guess is he’s trying to do the same here, say all the issues with negotiations were because of the Ayatollah, sign a new version of the same deal with Trump branding like the USMCA , declare victory and head home.

    Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal?

    Yes, Israel doesn’t want regime change because they know hatred for Israel is so broad that it will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression started by them. They want to turn Iran into the next Syria and get them to turn all of their ire inwards instead of at them.

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    I imagine that there’s no real consensus response to what you’ve asked, given that the official reasons are pretty murky. My take, for what it’s worth at least:

    Epstein was likely connected to Israel. From bits and pieces that’ve been reported about timelines and from the email archives, it seems like he sold information to both Israel and Russia – typically blackmail material for use as leverage against people in key positions in politics / business. Many of the later emails relating to Trump, appeared to talk about the dirt Epstein had on Trump, and efforts to potentially sell it to others.

    This blackmail material, combined with the massive amount of money thrown at US gov candidates by things like AIPAC, results in ‘close ties’ between the US Govt and Israeli interests. Basically, to control Americas government, if you can ‘buy’ a majority of the candidates via PAC funding or blackmail material, you can control the overall tone and direction of America’s international politics.

    In terms of ‘why now’ and what they gain…

    So the Epstein files note above is just ‘another nail’ in the common american’s support for Israel – even before those links were made more apparent, public opinion had largely soured due to the brutal treatment of Palestinians. Israel as a state has been increasingly an apartheid regime – mostly in its alignment to far right fascist motifs involving xenophobia. The US right also aligns with this general sentiment – the people currently in the administration, for example, practically all cheer on figures like Jack Posobiec, who romanticizes figures such as Spain’s Franco, a fascist dictator who literally came to power with the backing of Hitler. They maintain this notion that ‘they’ are the sole custodians of civilization, so any atrocity they commit against ‘others’ is justified and right. So timing-wise, it’s definitely best to do this sort of thing with Trump’s administration in power – they’ll be gleeful willing accomplices, no need for much convincing.

    Also entering in to the arena, would be the emergence of powers like China, and the perceived deterioration of the USA’s global influence. Israel as a state, exists because of the USA – Trump likes to say that about Canada, but Canada doesn’t really have a bunch of neighbours (other than the USA) that want Canada dead for having a history of “pre-emptive strikes” and so on. If the USA were to fall into significant decline, Israel’s existence would be in clear jeopardy. In order to survive, Israel likely needed to trigger a conflict before America’s hegemony deteriorated too far – to survive without a ‘singular’ military hegemony’s backing, Israel needs to have the entire power dynamic of the middle east destroyed and remade with them as the defacto/unchallenged ‘power’ of the region.

    Add in to the mix the Tech bro oligarchs, who all want their own baronies – or ‘free cities’ as they like to call them. These folks actively bank roll efforts to destabilize states. Their reasons seem to vary a tiny bit, but the end result/drive is the same: they want to have the ability to control cities/people, without worrying about government controls/oversight/regulations, because “they know best”. So they’re completely in alignment with the other areas in which we’re seeing dramatic increases in authoritarian traits. So there’s practically unlimited money available for any sort of atrocity that can benefit the richest 0.1% at the expense of everyone else.

    Most of what’s above speaks to the conditions that set the stage for the event.

    As for the very specific timing, it’s still highly likely that Trump is just trying to mute the Epstein stuff. What he gains is less coverage of Epstein. He is America’s dictator, so what benefits him, benefits America. That simple.