Police in the town of Savage, Minnesota, are now investigating an attack on a little girl at a local school by assailants, schoolchildren, who told officials they beat her up because "she wasn't Muslim."
You haven’t shown how the comparison between Muslims and white supremacists is even a valid one to make
I have, but you keep insisting I need to provide a good white supremists and/or falsely claim that I said there was a good white supremists.
When you are assessing a threat the number things that are not a threat is not relevant. Muslims are not a threat because there are few incidents where Muslims were a threat, white supremists are not a threat because there are few incidents where white supremists are a threat.
It only stands to reason that if you’re trying to compare the two and downplay the seriousness of white supremacy that is baked into our society by comparing it to faith-based violence by followers of Islam, you should also be able to show a single example of a white supremacist who isn’t part of that problem.
I argue racism is a much larger threat because it is pervasive throughout our society, and has already led to many more deaths injuries and unnecessary suffering from people going without adequate medical care, financial aid, housing, a well-paying job, or even basic decency in public because of how they look.
You want statistics which are out there and available, I will not provide them until I first have an example of a white supremacist who is not a part of that problem before I do, because until that time there is no point for me to argue.
If you don’t believe me because you don’t see it in the world then congratulations, you’re privileged enough for it to not be your problem. Myself, my family and friends live it every day. Just because I’m not linking an article with a conservative bend telling you as much doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It’s not my job anyway. Educate yourself on the struggles of your fellow citizens.
you should also be able to show a single example of a white supremacist who isn’t part of that problem.
You still have not given any reason why a good white supremists would make white supremacy less dangerous.
I argue racism is a much larger threat because it is pervasive throughout our society
It’s not pervasive. Further you need to show racism is the same thing as white supremacy if you plan on using racism as a stand in for white supremacy. You even have said white supremacy is rare.
You want statistics which are out there and available, I will not provide them
You can’t provide them, the only statistic you provided showed white supremacy murders were rare.
It’s not my job anyway. Educate yourself on the struggles of your fellow citizens.
You still have not given any reason why a good white supremacists would make white supremacy less dangerous.
The fact that you actually responded with this tells
me you _still _ can’t see past your own privilege to recognize my point was comparing Muslims to White Supremacists is an apples and oranges comparison unless you can show that there is a portion of white supremacists that, like Muslims who do not interpret their faith’s message to justify violence, do not interpret white supremacy as a justification for racism.
You either can’t understand why that’s a dumb comparison, or you’re refusing to admit it’s a dumb comparison. Either way it’s what’s causing us to keep this thread going. It’ll stop when you want it to.
It’s not as pervasive
the entirety of western society and the way it operates has roots in racism and white supremacy. White supremacy is a form of racism. I’ve already spelled this out multiple times and there is no way to be clearer about it. I’m beginning to think you’re just not capable of understanding.
You can’t provide them
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If you want more, then back up your original comment, where you first compared white supremacists to Muslims, and I will respond with what you ask. But since you first brought up the comparison it is on you to finish making your case before I can respond in kind. Therefore if you refuse to, so do I.
another excuse to not defend your position.
lol since you brought up the comparison in the first place my refusal is an extension of yours. This is just you projecting.
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Defend your comment, then I’ll defend mine. Otherwise it’s just obvious you didn’t have a follow up and are just trying to claim superiority in this thread. Not gonna happen without backing up your statement.
The fact that you actually responded with this tells me you _still _ can’t see past your own privilege to recognize my point was comparing Muslims to White Supremacists is an apples and oranges comparison unless you can show that there is a portion of white supremacists that, like Muslims who do not interpret their faith’s message to justify violence, do not interpret white supremacy as a justification for racism.
I’ll take that to mean that you concede that a good white supremists would not make white supremists less dangerous to society.
The whole point of comparing things is to highlight how they are different and the same. Apples and oranges are fruits… see different things can be compared.
You either can’t understand why that’s a dumb comparison, or you’re refusing to admit it’s a dumb comparison. Either way it’s what’s causing us to keep this thread going. It’ll stop when you want it to.
I asked a question about how you treat other rare occurrences, you falling for the propaganda seems to be the answer.
the entirety of western society and the way it operates has roots in racism and white supremacy. White supremacy is a form of racism. I’ve already spelled this out multiple times and there is no way to be clearer about it. I’m beginning to think you’re just not capable of understanding.
What does that have to do with white supremacy being prevalent now? Does that mean I can judge current Muslims by what Muslims did in the past?
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But can’t provide examples.
Defend your comment, then I’ll defend mine. Otherwise it’s just obvious you didn’t have a follow up and are just trying to claim superiority in this thread. Not gonna happen without backing up your statement.
I have backed up my statement a good white supremists doesn’t make any acts by white supremists less rare. The “good guys” are not important when looking at bad things.
I’ll take that to mean that you concede that a good white supremists would not make white supremists less dangerous to society.
Prove it, give me an example of what a “good” white supremacist is.
The whole point of comparing things is to highlight how they are different and the same. Apples and oranges are fruits… see different things can be compared.
Now you’re focusing on the semantics of an idiom which means “comparing that which cannot be practically compared” (source) rather than provide anything substantial that can lead me to agree with you. Congratulations, you failed at making your point again.
I asked a question about how you treat other rare occurrences, you falling for the propaganda seems to be the answer.
Because white supremacy is a form of racism, and racism is anything but “rare”, I once again state it’s a dumb comparison. You don’t need propaganda to think that because it’s the truth.
What does that have to do with white supremacy being prevalent now? Does that mean I can judge current Muslims by what Muslims did in the past?
That viewpoint could be entertained if you can speak at all to the prevalence of ramifications that past had, sure. But you can’t even back up your first comment in this thread so I highly doubt you’ll be able to form this one coherently.
But can’t provide examples.
Because society is the example.
Here are a few specifics though, if you insist:
The British Royal Empire and impact on the slave trade
Slave migrations to the New World
Trail of tears
All rooted in white supremacy, all resulted in complete or partial genocides, all formed the basis of modern western society which still tends to treat people differently due to race/ethnicity.
This is where I would provide current stats such as how hard it is for Black Women to receive appropriate healthcare, or how people of color are less likely to get a home loan compared to white people in the same economic class. I will be happy to provide those, but first I want you to respond in kind with proof of your first comment that there is such a thing as a “good” white supremacist.
I have backed up my statement a good white supremists doesn’t make any acts by white supremists less rare. The “good guys” are not important when looking at bad things.
You haven’t backed up shit because you haven’t given an example of what a “good” white supremacist is.
Prove it, give me an example of what a “good” white supremacist is.
You still don’t get it, what would one good white supremists change? With one good white supremists would they become less of a threat? If a group has 10 murders in it does the group become less dangerous if the 11th is not a murderer?
Now you’re focusing on the semantics of an idiom which means “comparing that which cannot be practically compared” (source) rather than provide anything substantial that can lead me to agree with you. Congratulations, you failed at making your point again.
How about this. What makes the rarity of white supremists instances of violence incomparable to the rarity of Muslim instances of violence?
Because society is the example.
Here are a few specifics though, if you insist:
The British Royal Empire and impact on the slave trade
Slave migrations to the New World
Trail of tears
All rooted in white supremacy, all resulted in complete or partial genocides, all formed the basis of modern western society which still tends to treat people differently due to race/ethnicity.
You forgot that they all happened a long time ago. How does the trail of tears, slave trade, make white supremacy a danger today?
I want you to respond in kind with proof of your first comment that there is such a thing as a “good” white supremacist.
I’ve never made this claim, it’s a flat out falsehood on your part. I assume it’s because your whole argument hinges on this lie.
You haven’t backed up shit because you haven’t given an example of what a “good” white supremacist is.
I don’t have to, the rarity of bad people doing bad things in not affected by a good person being part of that group.
I’ve already shown that the existence of a good white supremists does not change the threat white supremacy poses to society.
You haven’t shown how the comparison between Muslims and white supremacists is even a valid one to make
I have, but you keep insisting I need to provide a good white supremists and/or falsely claim that I said there was a good white supremists.
When you are assessing a threat the number things that are not a threat is not relevant. Muslims are not a threat because there are few incidents where Muslims were a threat, white supremists are not a threat because there are few incidents where white supremists are a threat.
It only stands to reason that if you’re trying to compare the two and downplay the seriousness of white supremacy that is baked into our society by comparing it to faith-based violence by followers of Islam, you should also be able to show a single example of a white supremacist who isn’t part of that problem.
I argue racism is a much larger threat because it is pervasive throughout our society, and has already led to many more deaths injuries and unnecessary suffering from people going without adequate medical care, financial aid, housing, a well-paying job, or even basic decency in public because of how they look.
You want statistics which are out there and available, I will not provide them until I first have an example of a white supremacist who is not a part of that problem before I do, because until that time there is no point for me to argue.
If you don’t believe me because you don’t see it in the world then congratulations, you’re privileged enough for it to not be your problem. Myself, my family and friends live it every day. Just because I’m not linking an article with a conservative bend telling you as much doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It’s not my job anyway. Educate yourself on the struggles of your fellow citizens.
You still have not given any reason why a good white supremists would make white supremacy less dangerous.
It’s not pervasive. Further you need to show racism is the same thing as white supremacy if you plan on using racism as a stand in for white supremacy. You even have said white supremacy is rare.
You can’t provide them, the only statistic you provided showed white supremacy murders were rare.
Another excuse to not defend your position.
The fact that you actually responded with this tells me you _still _ can’t see past your own privilege to recognize my point was comparing Muslims to White Supremacists is an apples and oranges comparison unless you can show that there is a portion of white supremacists that, like Muslims who do not interpret their faith’s message to justify violence, do not interpret white supremacy as a justification for racism.
You either can’t understand why that’s a dumb comparison, or you’re refusing to admit it’s a dumb comparison. Either way it’s what’s causing us to keep this thread going. It’ll stop when you want it to.
the entirety of western society and the way it operates has roots in racism and white supremacy. White supremacy is a form of racism. I’ve already spelled this out multiple times and there is no way to be clearer about it. I’m beginning to think you’re just not capable of understanding.
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If you want more, then back up your original comment, where you first compared white supremacists to Muslims, and I will respond with what you ask. But since you first brought up the comparison it is on you to finish making your case before I can respond in kind. Therefore if you refuse to, so do I.
lol since you brought up the comparison in the first place my refusal is an extension of yours. This is just you projecting.
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Defend your comment, then I’ll defend mine. Otherwise it’s just obvious you didn’t have a follow up and are just trying to claim superiority in this thread. Not gonna happen without backing up your statement.
I’ll take that to mean that you concede that a good white supremists would not make white supremists less dangerous to society.
The whole point of comparing things is to highlight how they are different and the same. Apples and oranges are fruits… see different things can be compared.
I asked a question about how you treat other rare occurrences, you falling for the propaganda seems to be the answer.
What does that have to do with white supremacy being prevalent now? Does that mean I can judge current Muslims by what Muslims did in the past?
But can’t provide examples.
I have backed up my statement a good white supremists doesn’t make any acts by white supremists less rare. The “good guys” are not important when looking at bad things.
Prove it, give me an example of what a “good” white supremacist is.
Now you’re focusing on the semantics of an idiom which means “comparing that which cannot be practically compared” (source) rather than provide anything substantial that can lead me to agree with you. Congratulations, you failed at making your point again.
Because white supremacy is a form of racism, and racism is anything but “rare”, I once again state it’s a dumb comparison. You don’t need propaganda to think that because it’s the truth.
That viewpoint could be entertained if you can speak at all to the prevalence of ramifications that past had, sure. But you can’t even back up your first comment in this thread so I highly doubt you’ll be able to form this one coherently.
Because society is the example.
Here are a few specifics though, if you insist:
The British Royal Empire and impact on the slave trade
Slave migrations to the New World
Trail of tears
All rooted in white supremacy, all resulted in complete or partial genocides, all formed the basis of modern western society which still tends to treat people differently due to race/ethnicity.
This is where I would provide current stats such as how hard it is for Black Women to receive appropriate healthcare, or how people of color are less likely to get a home loan compared to white people in the same economic class. I will be happy to provide those, but first I want you to respond in kind with proof of your first comment that there is such a thing as a “good” white supremacist.
You haven’t backed up shit because you haven’t given an example of what a “good” white supremacist is.
You still don’t get it, what would one good white supremists change? With one good white supremists would they become less of a threat? If a group has 10 murders in it does the group become less dangerous if the 11th is not a murderer?
How about this. What makes the rarity of white supremists instances of violence incomparable to the rarity of Muslim instances of violence?
You forgot that they all happened a long time ago. How does the trail of tears, slave trade, make white supremacy a danger today?
I’ve never made this claim, it’s a flat out falsehood on your part. I assume it’s because your whole argument hinges on this lie.
I don’t have to, the rarity of bad people doing bad things in not affected by a good person being part of that group.