Come on man. This is exactly what we have been saying all the time. These “AIs” are not creating novel text or ideas. They are just regurgitating back the text they get in similar contexts. It’s just they don’t repeat things vebatim because they use statistics to predict the next word. And guess what, that’s plagiarism by any real world standard you pick, no matter what tech scammers keep saying. The fact that laws haven’t catched up doesn’t change the reality of mass plagiarism we are seeing …
And people like you keep insisting that “AIs” are stealing ideas, not verbatim copies of the words like that makes it ok. Except LLMs have no concept of ideas, and you people keep repeating that even when shown evidence, like this post, that they don’t think. And even if they did, repeat with me, this is still plagiarism even if this was done by a human. Stop excusing the big tech companies man
Come on man. This is exactly what we have been saying all the time. These “AIs” are not creating novel text or ideas. They are just regurgitating back the text they get in similar contexts. It’s just they don’t repeat things vebatim because they use statistics to predict the next word. And guess what, that’s plagiarism by any real world standard you pick, no matter what tech scammers keep saying. The fact that laws haven’t catched up doesn’t change the reality of mass plagiarism we are seeing …
Just because that happened in this context doesn’t automatically mean that this is happening in all contexts. It’s absolutely possible, and I’d love to see a conclusive study on this topic, but the example of one LLM version doing this in one application context in one case isn’t clear enough proof either way. If a question doesn’t have many answers (be they real or fake), and one answer seems to solve the problem with explicit instructions, you’d want the AI system to give the necessary parts of those same instructions, which is what happened here. This is how I expected and understand these systems to work - so I’d love to see examples of what people exactly said that GP is arguing against, because I don’t know the argument they are arguing against.
And people like you keep insisting that “AIs” are stealing ideas, not verbatim copies of the words like that makes it ok.
I didn’t insist on anything, I wanted an explanation of the position GP is arguing against. I’m of the opinion that any commercial generative AI use should be completely forbidden until a proper framework is built that ensures compensation of sources before anything else - but you don’t care about my position, because anything that doesn’t resemble “AI bad” must automatically mean “AI good” to you.
Except LLMs have no concept of ideas, and you people keep repeating that even when shown evidence, like this post, that they don’t think.
Can you define “idea” and show me an actual study on this topic? Because I have seen too many examples both for and against all of these grand theses. I don’t know where things lie. But you can’t show that something is unable to do thing A because it did thing B, without showing that B is diametrically opposed to A. You have to properly define “idea” and define an experiment for that purpose.
And even if they did, repeat with me, this is still plagiarism even if this was done by a human. Stop excusing the big tech companies man
I haven’t said that this is or is not plagiarism. Stop being so rabid about anything not explicitly anti-AI - I’m not making pro-AI points.
First of all man, chill lol. Second of all, nice way to project here, I’m saying that the “AIs” are overhyped, and they are being used to justify rampant plagiarism by Microsoft (OpenAI), Google, Meta and the like. This is not the same as me saying the technology is useless, though hobestly I only use LLMs for autocomplete when coding, and even then is meh.
And third dude, what makes you think we have to prove to you that AI is dumb? Way to shift the burden of proof lol. You are the ones saying that LLMs, which look nothing like a human brain at all, are somehow another way to solve the hard problem of mind hahahaha. Come on man, you are the ones that need to provide proof if you are going to make such wild claim. Your entire post is “you can’t prove that LLMs don’t think”. And yeah, I can’t prove a negative. Doesn’t mean you are right though.
Come on man. This is exactly what we have been saying all the time. These “AIs” are not creating novel text or ideas. They are just regurgitating back the text they get in similar contexts. It’s just they don’t repeat things vebatim because they use statistics to predict the next word. And guess what, that’s plagiarism by any real world standard you pick, no matter what tech scammers keep saying. The fact that laws haven’t catched up doesn’t change the reality of mass plagiarism we are seeing …
And people like you keep insisting that “AIs” are stealing ideas, not verbatim copies of the words like that makes it ok. Except LLMs have no concept of ideas, and you people keep repeating that even when shown evidence, like this post, that they don’t think. And even if they did, repeat with me, this is still plagiarism even if this was done by a human. Stop excusing the big tech companies man
Just because that happened in this context doesn’t automatically mean that this is happening in all contexts. It’s absolutely possible, and I’d love to see a conclusive study on this topic, but the example of one LLM version doing this in one application context in one case isn’t clear enough proof either way. If a question doesn’t have many answers (be they real or fake), and one answer seems to solve the problem with explicit instructions, you’d want the AI system to give the necessary parts of those same instructions, which is what happened here. This is how I expected and understand these systems to work - so I’d love to see examples of what people exactly said that GP is arguing against, because I don’t know the argument they are arguing against.
I didn’t insist on anything, I wanted an explanation of the position GP is arguing against. I’m of the opinion that any commercial generative AI use should be completely forbidden until a proper framework is built that ensures compensation of sources before anything else - but you don’t care about my position, because anything that doesn’t resemble “AI bad” must automatically mean “AI good” to you.
Can you define “idea” and show me an actual study on this topic? Because I have seen too many examples both for and against all of these grand theses. I don’t know where things lie. But you can’t show that something is unable to do thing A because it did thing B, without showing that B is diametrically opposed to A. You have to properly define “idea” and define an experiment for that purpose.
I haven’t said that this is or is not plagiarism. Stop being so rabid about anything not explicitly anti-AI - I’m not making pro-AI points.
First of all man, chill lol. Second of all, nice way to project here, I’m saying that the “AIs” are overhyped, and they are being used to justify rampant plagiarism by Microsoft (OpenAI), Google, Meta and the like. This is not the same as me saying the technology is useless, though hobestly I only use LLMs for autocomplete when coding, and even then is meh.
And third dude, what makes you think we have to prove to you that AI is dumb? Way to shift the burden of proof lol. You are the ones saying that LLMs, which look nothing like a human brain at all, are somehow another way to solve the hard problem of mind hahahaha. Come on man, you are the ones that need to provide proof if you are going to make such wild claim. Your entire post is “you can’t prove that LLMs don’t think”. And yeah, I can’t prove a negative. Doesn’t mean you are right though.
holy fuck that’s a lot of debatebro “arguments” by volume, let me do the thread a favor and trim you out of it
slightly more certain of my earlier guess now