• the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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    There is hope for everyone to get to Heaven, but by no means should we on Earth be making pronouncements on which specific people are in Hell. That’s way above our paygrade and I’m happy to keep it that way. People like this just make all Christians look stupid.

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          You’re an adult who believes in fairy tales and follows the selected writings of people who had no other way of explaining the world. Christianity is hateful, patriarchal, and along with other major organized religions, responsible for most of the pain and suffering in the world.

          Grow up.

          • the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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            Fairy tales, eh? Like that the universe could not have possibly created itself and all that came to exist must necessarily have an origin which we know as God? Or are you referring to the incredibly well-attested resurrection of Christ, which most people dismiss simply on the grounds that “I assume this is impossible, therefore it didn’t happen”?

            Christianity is a religion that’s about sharing the love of God with everyone you know. There’s harsh truths that come with that, yes, but does someone really love you if they don’t tell you the truth? And how do you measure which ideas and concepts are “responsible” for human suffering? I could argue that the godlessness of the 20th century has led to the horrifying deaths of tens of millions of people in the 20th century and a depression/loneliness epidemic that’s so agonizing that people are creating wonders of technology to cure it in their futile effort to deny the existence of their souls. If religion was itself responsible for so much suffering, then why were communist nations, which rejected religion entirely, the cause of so many deaths? Surely if religion is such an idiotic and backwards idea, rejecting it should lead to an utter paradise, right?

            I outgrew my atheism over five years ago and I thank the Lord for it. There’s plenty of room for you in this gathering too, fellow.

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      There is a list of people I expect to be there. If the most heinous examples of total pieces of shit known to humanity are not in hell then the term is meaningless. Not that there is any evidence to support its existence.

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        Agreed. The OP comment suggests it’s above my pay grade to suggest Hitler would go to hell if it exists, which is just baffling.

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          Infinite punishment can never be just for anything done in a finite time, no matter how henious.

          Not that I’m saying hell or heaven exists, but if hell were truly eternal, it couldn’t be just even towards to worst of the worst.

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            I’m genuinely not able to figure out what you’re trying to say. My best interpretation is that you’re saying no one deserves eternal damnation in response to a comment about Hitler going to hell. If that’s the case, what a weird take my dude

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              That’s indeed what he was saying. If there’s any actual concept of Justice on a cosmic level, then “eternity” is certainly not a “just” punishment for anything done by a mortal, subject to circumstances and born into a world they had no choice in. In a “just” universe with a punitive afterlife, Hitler would get back an equivalent amount of suffering to that which he caused. So maybe a few hundred million years worth of suffering, but not eternity.