I’m not talking about the consumption of animals here, to be clear. What I’m talking about is spending days and a bunch of money planning to kill something, doing the killing, and skinning/eviscerating what was killed, and often displaying the stuffed corpse. Hunters and fishers refuse to admit they’re obsessed with taking pleasure in killing something.
Miss me with the “tradition” stuff, it’s just peer pressure from the dead and a fallacious argument. Don’t tell me it’s to eat, like I said, I’m not talking about the consumption here, so please prove to me you are literate by not bringing up that point. And don’t tell me you’re respectful to the animals you kill; I don’t believe the planning, stalking, and killing is a good way to show respect.
Agreed as far as sport hunting goes.
I grew up in the boonies where this was commonplace (and expected), and I realized early in life that there was just something “wrong” about trophy hunting and the people who relished in it. Don’t get me wrong: I hunted in my youth and still go hunting on occasion, but I eat everything I kill and find taxidermy distasteful.
On the flip side, there is a legitimate population control aspect for hunting seasons. Left unchecked, deer population explodes to become a nuisance to humans (causing car accidents, eating crops, etc) as well as limiting resources for the deer (hence the strict laws / regulations surrounding it). So, it does have its purpose, but it also seems like it appeals mostly to the “psychopath” types you’re describing.
I realize this doesn’t cover fishing, but I don’t have a horse in that race. Fishing is so damn boring that I could never get into it. But I’ll agree with you on trophy fishing as it’s the same mindset.
Fishing to me is a niche, and it’s been a thing for so long that I don’t really care about people who go out on weekends and fish. Most fisherman I know are catch and release anyway.
Sport hunting though I agree. “Men” who are really just trying desperately to prove how manly they are by taking a compound bow or rifles with night vision and perfect scopes to go out and kill a deer in a field. It’s posturing, and killing something for posturing is stupid as hell to me
Fishing to me is a niche, and it’s been a thing for so long that I don’t really care about people who go out on weekends and fish. Most fisherman I know are catch and release anyway.
Yeah, same here. Most of the people I know who fish are all married and just use it as an excuse to get out and drink beer. I don’t really need that excuse since I’m single, and if I want to go out (or stay in) and drink, I just do it lol.
My personal opinion on fishing as a pastime is funny. The idea of sitting by the lake for a few hours with friends and beers sounds like good fun, but as soon as you add that I’ll also be waiting for a fish to strike, it suddenly sounds dreadfully boring to me. I just hate waiting on things.
Pro tip from someone who is frequently invited fishing: just be blatant about it lol.
At one point, I started showing up with just a cooler of beer. First time, they were like "where’s all your gear?"and I was like “I don’t like fishing, and I don’t need the pretense”. They fished, and I just got drunk in the boat, hung out, and occasionally acted as photographer when one of them got a good catch.
How about you put on some waders, hike to the woods, walk into the river, and fly fish?
Fly fishing is constant action because even casting is fun. Also, you don’t ever let the fly just sit there doing nothing for anything more than 30 seconds. So at most you’re waiting for 30 seconds. During those 30 seconds, as your fly floats down the river, you might get the amazing chance to see a fish swim up and gobble it down right off the top of the river. Nothing more satisfying then fish taking a dry fly. It’s true angling, fooling the quarry, using it’s own instincts against it.
And even if you are just not catching any fish, you can always stand there and watch the bugs so you can hone in on what the fish are eating. Because they are in there, and they never stop eating.
I grew up in a small village, and there are far less hunters there now, in a place where deer have no natural predators left. This means the deer population has exploded, which sounds like a good thing until you consider there are too many deer now.
The deer are all dying of disease and hunger now at a much higher rate than with hunting. This is the price of ‘hunting bad’ mentality, at least in that particular area of America. Humans have destroyed nature, so because of that it’s our job to ensure it doesn’t deteriorate further, hunting serves its purpose for this, and must be considered.
Yeah, deer do have a real impact on environments. Japan has an interesting relationship with them, too, that I learned about recently https://youtu.be/tYuGeqBVXFk
Ohh, nice. Somewhat related, I recommend Radiolab’s episode on the Galápagos and how conservationists used Judas goats to track and eradicate the population that was destroying the island. It’s one of my favorites.
I’m not talking about the consumption here, so please prove to me you are literate by not bringing up that point
You can not talk about it all you want but you’re being intellectually dishonest by refusing to do so.
Eating meat that you know comes from a factory farm, a literal SAW like tortured life of cruelty, just to be on a conveyor assembly line to be slaughtered and you to eat, feels less psychopathic in the moment but in reality is just disassociating yourself from the literal torture you are causing.
What I’m talking about is spending days and a bunch of money planning to kill something, doing the killing, and skinning/eviscerating what was killed, and often displaying the stuffed corpse. Hunters and fishers refuse to admit they’re obsessed with taking pleasure in killing something.
Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he’ll sit in a boat and drink beers all day.
The majority of the time spent hunting and fishing is spent hanging out in nature with your friends. There’s lot ls of reasons to enjoy it, even if you don’t enjoy the actual killing.
And if you’re going to eat meat anyways, then forcing yourself to nut up and kill the animal yourself arguably leaves less suffering in the world than plugging your ears and contributing to factory farming. Both require disassociating from the evil you’re committing, and our brains are good at that because disassociation from violence was an unfortunately necessary part of our survival.
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While I agree with the ethical considerations here, there’s a reason there are laws about slaughtering animals. Unless you’re killing sick animals, I don’t think a hobbyist hunter is going to give their targets a swift and painless death every time.
If you think a factory farm where thousands of animals are slammed into cages next to each other watching their peers get slaughtered, is more ethical than shooting a solitary moose and getting several hundred pounds of meat then you are not arguing honestly or actually thinking through the scenario.
Quite frankly it doesn’t matter whether or not it’s a clean kill, it’s still more ethical per pound of meat by orders of magnitude even if it’s not, and your guess that most hunters don’t get clean kills is pretty based on nothing to begin with.
I don’t think a hobbyist hunter is going to give their targets a swift and painless death every time.
That’s because you’re completely unfamiliar with the subject you’re arguing about. Ethical hunters don’t take the shot unless they’re 100% sure they can kill the animal swiftly, and do it without endangering anything else. They drill this into your head throughout the 30-40 hour long hunter safety course which is required to obtain your hunting license.
Ehhh, mine was like six hours, I’m pretty sure. But even then they do drill this point.
Aside from that, literally no respectful hunter wants to maim an animal. Aside from the practical aspect of having to track a blood trail and hope you find the animal deceased, no hunter wants to inflict pointless suffering.
Nothing about it would be enjoyable. As a hunter it’s at the top of my list for things that could go wrong but can be pretty much be easily avoided.
Omg, it was to avoid exactly this. Bad commenter. Where’s my spray bottle?
Cognitive dissonance vis a vis actively gearing up, getting a license, and taking the time to hunt are different things and I only have an unpopular opinion on the latter.
Cognitive dissonance vis a vis actively gearing up, getting a license, and taking the time to hunt are different things and I only have an unpopular opinion on the latter.
Why would that require cognitive dissonance? A) cognitive dissonance isn’t the right term, there’s no two conflicting things that that requires you to believe and B) None of that is hard or unpleasant. It takes like 10min to get a fishing license, fishing rods and tackle are relatively cheap compared to most other camping gear and people love obsessing over and buying new camping gear and then spending time in nature with their friends.
The only part that requires mental disassociation is killing an animal, then cleaning it, then butchering it, then eating it. Why do you draw the disassociation line at the killing and cleaning, but not the butchering and eating?
Vis a vis means something like “in relation to” and I was using the cognitive dissonance to mean the people who eat meat but don’t like thinking about how it got there, not hunters. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
I know it’s hyperbole, but it takes more than ten minutes to get a license because you are have to go to the place that issues them or wait days if it’s a mail thing. Relatively cheap is very different from not buying at all. So there’s any amount of effort and output of money done in anticipation of the stalking/killing/eviscerating. It’s not the relative cost compared to camping that’s in question.
Lol, bruh you go online and order a fishing license and it shows up in the mail a few days later. It took me under a minute of effort to do it a few months ago.
I know it’s hyperbole, but it takes more than ten minutes to get a license because you are have to go to the place that issues them or wait days if it’s a mail thing. Relatively cheap is very different from not buying at all. So there’s any amount of effort and output of money done in anticipation of the stalking/killing/eviscerating. It’s not the relative cost compared to camping that’s in question.
Do you eat meat? Because I eat meat, so the days I spent fishing and ate no grocery store meat was a net positive for the world. I don’t enjoy it, but I will nut up and do the killing if it makes the world a better place and the alternative was to force someone else to do it, and I did enjoy spending several days out in nature with my friends and family, mostly catching and releasing fish.
Personally I try and eat increasingly vegetarian and prefer canoeing and portaging trips where you spend time in nature and the effort goes into hauling all your shit through somewhere, but it’s not easy to do that everywhere, and I eat enough meat that I’m not going to get on my high horse and poo poo a friends’ fishing trip if they want to go.
I don’t even get a license mailed to me. I just print it out on my printer at home.
You don’t even need to where I hunt and fish. As long as you can pull it up on your phone, that’s good enough.
If you think not eating meat from a grocery store is a good thing, then you should be asking yourself about why you do it on days you don’t fish. Otherwise, it comes off as something like: pickpocketing is bad, so I pat myself on the back every time I don’t do it.
“I will…do the killing if it makes the world a better place” sounds like something a villain says while twirling their mustache. You could just not do the killing and make the world a better place. So why not?
Catch and release is kinda odd, too. Stick a hook into something alive, drag it via that hook, suffocate it briefly, and bond over it.
If you think not eating meat from a grocery store is a good thing, then you should be asking yourself about why you do it on days you don’t fish. Otherwise, it comes off as something like: pickpocketing is bad, so I pat myself on the back every time I don’t do it.
Like I said, I do. You’re the one who said you didn’t think consumption was psychopathic. Why do you draw a line?
Either all aspects of meat consumption are inherently psychopathic or none inherently are. And if your definition of psychopathy includes all meat eaters, then maybe it’s not the most useful way of defining it.
I don’t draw a line, I just wanted to keep it out of this conversation because I’m specifically talking about the extra steps required to kill something personally. Which is why I tried to avoid talking about meat consumption in the post. And you and several other people ignored that. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by that behavior from people that think torturing fish is a fun activity. Thanks for being disappointing in a very predictable way. I don’t think I have anything further to get out of this conversation with you, so I won’t be engaging further.
Miss me with the “tradition” stuff, it’s just peer pressure from the dead and a fallacious argument. Don’t tell me it’s to eat, like I said, I’m not talking about the consumption here, so please prove to me you are literate by not bringing up that point.
Well you’re clearly not literate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_management
The population is managed through hunting to as to avoid the overpopulation of deer, which is catastrophic for the ecology.
Not because every single hunter is some sort of psychopath. What a childish notion.
This entire thread is giving me deja vu from a thread I thought I read on Reddit years ago.
Not saying this one was, but I wonder how many posts are copy pasted from old reddit posts and placed her now. The comments all seem familiar as well. Maybe I’m just tired.
I don’t copypaste, but I have argued the same thing on Reddit before, so you may have seen me arguing the exact same thing.
Or someone else, because it’s pretty common sense.
If you’re having an honest conversation here, the appeal to common sense is a fallacy.
You’re coming off pretty self-righteous and judgmental. If you’re wanting to change minds I doubt a accusatory stance is helpful.
It’s not an appeal to common sense to make arguments and then comment on those, clear arguments as common sense.
Maybe you need to spend a bit more time studying your fallacy charts.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
Address the actual arguments, instead of trying to “win” an argument by trying to point out a fallacy (which wasn’t even there.)
This is a manmade problem though. We exterminated all or most of the predators that would usually do the duty of population control in our stead, because said predators didn’t differentiate between livestock and wild animals.
What of it?
Would you happen to have a time machine so we can go back and change history so humans never replace said apex predators, or does the fact that “we did it” mean that we don’t need to keep hunting and we can just let species overpopulate and destroy the ecology completely, even for themselves and other species of plants and animals?
Man-made or not, it exists now. You can’t just go “this problem was made by people, so I’m not gonna do anything about it!”.
Where I live, literally the place where they killed the last wolf in the state, is landmark, and the guy who did it has a town named after him.
Thanks for not bringing up eating! I really appreciate it.
Yes, population management is a real thing. Not denying that, and I probably should have mentioned it.
I still find the people that want to participate in it for fun very creepy.
I still find the people that want to participate in it for fun very creepy.
Some are rather weird, but I can understand liking nature hobbies in which you are alone or with a few buddies if you’ve had social problems. (Talking about some people I know.) But yeah. Some are weird. But also, some aren’t. I don’t think killing an animal means you’re a psychopath, per se.
Most of the hobby isn’t about the kill. Hell, most of the year killing them isn’t even allowed.
Since you mentioned eating though, I’ll say that I actually really enjoy game meat. It’s relatively cruelty free. An optimal killshot might not still instantly kill (as in you don’t aim for the brain, but the heart), but at least they’ve lived an actually free life, unlike powerfarmed cattle, from which you can almost taste the misery. (I’m a flexitarian and try to make somewhat moral choices at least most of the time.)
Since you mentioned eating
No, I specifically tried to avoid it, but go ahead and ignore that 🤦
Hiking is a thing you can do in nature alone or is groups that doesn’t involve killing, so I don’t understand your point about that making hunting less creepy. And even if most of the hobby isn’t the actual killing, the rest of it is planning, setting up for, fantasizing about, talking about, etc., the killing, so that’s not very convincing either. Like I get that if you have, say, cooking as a hobby that you look up recipes, buy ingredients, and eat, but nobody that has cooking as a hobby buys ingredients to not cook (raw vegans excepted 🥁🥁🛎️).
And telling me about how different flesh tastes depending on how you kill them sounds pretty creepy.
You have literally no idea what goes into deer management, do you?
Have you even ever known anyone who does that, personally?
“All of their time goes to thinking and talking and fantasising about killing”.
I daresay all the hunters I know spend less time thinking about the kill than you spend time fantasising about some imaginary hunters filled with murder lust.
My brother is a ~40-year old family man. Mostly he thinks about his kids and his job. On the weekends, they might go and prepare deer feeding areas. You see, upkeep of the population is also a part of deer management.
Only a few weekends of the year do they actually kill anything. Most of the time it’s just maintenance, while hiking in nature.
I don’t think you realise just how important deer management is, especially in some places. The amount of deer crashes we have would skyrocket without population control. Which would mean animals and people suffering and dying.
And telling me about how different flesh tastes depending on how you kill them sounds pretty creepy.
Learn to read, maybe? It’s not about how you kill them. It’s about how they have lived. Which is more moral, eating a thing that didn’t have the space to turn around it’s whole life, or an animal which lived completely naturally it’s whole life?
That’s why I avoid industrially farmed animals.
You have an extremely childish, simplistic and twisted view of what deer management actually is.
Just like I said in my last comment, using your logic all plumbers are only plumbers because they have a scat fetish and fantasise about other people’s excrement all day, how else would anyone be capable of doing anything like that?
Surgeons? Psychopaths, the lot of them. Must just be itching everyday to get to cut into a living person. Sickening, right, right??? /s
Damn, dude, not every hunter is a deer population manager.
Hunters do hunting, surgeons try and heal people. In one the killing is the point and in the other the cutting in incidental.
Avoiding factory farmed animals but still eating animals is something a lot of people say to pat themselves on the back, but I don’t buy it.
Anyway, I can see this is a really personal thing to you and you’re really upset by it. Don’t think too much about why you get defensive about it, though, or why you have to carve out exceptions to try and make it less creepy.
Every single hunter in my country is, as they won’t get a hunting license otherwise.
I understand that hunting culture and cultural values aren’t the same everywhere, which is something you seem to be having trouble with.
I don’t know a single “trophy-hunter”, because I’m from a small village in which deer hunting (ie deer management) was big, and “trophy-hunting” was something you’d see Americans doing on TV.
It’s a really personal thing to you. You’re insulting people, calling them murderers and saying they fantasise about murdering, because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. You have some sort of a blood sport in your head, when the hunters I know are some of the kindest people I’ve ever met. And even they sometimes have trouble with killing, believe it or not. My dad was a hunter. He quit around the time I was born, because they accidentally felled the mother of two calves, which isn’t allowed. He never hunted anything afterwards, but ate a ton of meat. So the meat he used to get from hunting, free-range, cruelty free, now came from industrialised farms. Do you think that was a change for the better?
This is making you really upset, because you’re not used to people challenging your simpleminded philosophy, which breaks down at the slightest push.
I’m the one pointing out these are normal people, you’re the one foaming at the mouth about “murder fantasies”.
You still refuse to answer the question of whether you think all plumbers constantly imagine scat-porn scenarios? Because that’s what your logic would mean.
Telling him is personal to him is hilarious. It’s so clear you are butthurt about having a horrible opinion.
All he’s doing is explaining in a clear and concise tone why your assumptions are wrong.
You clearly cannot handle this, have nothing to refute him, so you attack him. Classic stuff right there.
I get that we have some species that need to be culled for the sake of the greater good /circle of life / balance of nature, etc., but I have no desire to do that work myself.
Hunting is hobby-murder regardless of the justification you put behind it.
Not all killing is murder — and to pretend the killing of any animal is takes away from actual homicide.
“I realise this is a necessary part for society to function the way it does, but I think every single person who does it is doing it for the sheer pleasure of killing”
Using that same logic, all plumbers have a scat-fetish?
It’s beyond amazing to me how disconnected some people are from nature. Death is seen as something horrible, instead of something that literally every single organism will one day face.
Yes there are really weird dudes in hunting groups, but there are also completely normal, non-psychopathic non-murderers, and if you pretend there isn’t, then I don’t think you’re ready to have an adult conversation about the subject.
Until the animals are able to speak up for themselves and tell us that they want to die, killing is murder regardless of the mental gymnastics you perform around it.
If I happened to crash a car into your car and you die, I won’t get convicted for murder.
If I push you in anger and you happen to crack your head on the pavement badly enough and die — I might get accused of murder, but more than likely get convicted of manslaughter.
Doesn’t matter how you define your own private language, but in English, words have meanings.
You’re just deadset against something, because you’re an absolutist who can’t listen to reason. If those “senseless murderers” stop their “murdering”, a lot MORE people AND animals will DIE.
That shouldn’t be too hard to understand, I think, so I must conclude that you are willfully ignoring it.
Just like you’re willfully ignoring the part where your childish logic being applied anywhere else shows just how ridiculous it is.
You’ve yet to answer whether you think all plumbers think about scat porn all the time?
Hunters actively set out to kill things, spend thousands on equipment, and pay fees for the right to do so. Convince yourself however you need to, but hunters are murderers. You don’t accidentally cover yourself in camo and deer piss to go hide in a tree and wait for a deer to come along so you can kill it and claim some sort of “manly” victory over nature or whatever.
Hunters have a desire to kill things. The only difference between a hunter and a serial killer is a modicum of self-control about target selection.
You’re extremely childish and there’s no having an adult conversation with you I see.
You just won’t listen and use these ridiculously childish notions that are beyond easy to prove wrong as absolute truth, and you also need to ignore most of my replies.
Because you don’t know shit about hunting, but wish to paint every single person as a “murderer”.
Are vets psychopathic murderers? Because most of what most veterinarians do is just put animals down, day in and day out.
But I’m sure in your tiny mind vets are animal loving heroes, despite them killing a lot more animals than hunters. And they do it year round.
You’re still ignoring the FACT that if these hunters didn’t exist, there would be way more problems and more deaths of humans and animals.
You have to ignore it, because it breaks down your childish rhetoric.
You’re an extremely simple minded child who refuses to acknowledge the reality of nature. Death is a part of life, no matter how removed from it you’ve been kept by some religious parents or something.
So, how many hunters do you know in real life? Why are you ignoring the definition of murder? Why are you ignoring literally everything that I’ve said? Is it because you hold simplistic childish notion that you can’t defend in a rational adult conversation? (It is, yes.)
You seriously think they are hunting because of a population issue? That is just why they are allowed to hunt so freely…
The hunters do not give a fuck, just want to kill some shit
You don’t know a single hunter, nor did you grow up in the country.
That’s painfully obvious.
You don’t even know what country I’m in.
You’re beyond arrogant, simplistic and naive.
They aren’t allowed to hunt freely here, there’s a very specific amount of felling permits.
You don’t know shit and you’re not willing to learn.
That’s a lot of assumptions 😂 Almost all of which are completely wrong
I don’t care if your butt hurt, stop whining and look inward
You don’t need to kill, period.
You don’t need to kill, period.
So you’re just going to put a live cow on a bun and call it a hamburger?
You don’t need cow meat to live
OK, so what? I like meat
I like cocaine, but that’s not a reason to do it
For less people to die and to preserve nature so it doesn’t fuck itself over, yes, it is necessary to kill.
Unfortunately our ancestors replaced a lot of apex predators. And don’t even get started on “reintroduce apex predators” as if you could introduce wolf pacts into European population centers.
Educate yourself instead of having these simplistic and childish outlooks.
There were times my ex and I wouldn’t have eaten or suffered from malnutrition of it hadn’t been for hunting and raising our own food, vegetables included.
and that is a natural, beautiful, reason to kill for food. I have utmost respect for those who have to hunt their food, not for obese idiots buying slabs of hormone filled trash that gives them cancer
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You’re not psychic, I’m afraid. It is impossible for you to know what anyone is thinking. Using what is ‘in their eyes’ to determine complex thought is absurd.
I know a lot of hunters and none of them like killing. They experience a complex series of emotions when they’re successful with a hunt. Triumph over all their hard work paying off, excitement over having a successful hunt, joy over having meat for half a year, and remorse, over having killed a beautiful animal. I do not know a single hunter who doesn’t experience remorse. I even know some people who have cried over what they’ve done. But in the end, they’ll do it again, because they’ve chosen a lifestyle where they’re willing to be active participants in the cycle of life, and aren’t willing to just outsource all of the killing for their meat needs.
This is kind of a weird argument to make. Are specifically talking about only hunting/ fishing where the animal is killed and not consumed in any way?
Since I’ve personally never seen that as someone who’s been hunting a couple times and around people who hunt.
And how do you not expect people to bring eating animals when that’s basically half the purpose. People don’t just go around hunting without the intent to utilise the meat.
Also do you kill roaches or worms etc. In which case what makes the thoughtless killing of one better than the other.
Also I personally love it as an outdoor activity which I rarely get.
Personally I don’t see anything immoral with taxidermy either.
Upvoted for actual unpopular opinion tho.
It was more to preemptively stop the people that bring up that they do it for the purposes of consumption. Like you can consume meat without hunting and many people do and just deal with the cognitive dissonance of somebody else doing the killing. Actually going out to hunt is a much more active choice and not something you can do without getting gear, maybe a license, and making time for it.
As for taxidermy, I guess it’s just an extension of the planning/killing/cleaning into even more thinking about it, remembering it, celebrating it. Otherwise, it’s pretty goth and I’ve got no issue with it.
There were some Buddhists that wore masks to avoid breathing in insects and accumulating karma (though iirc most sects now say insects don’t cause karma that way). But there were also Buddhists warriors that justified killing people as helping the dead get to their next reincarnation faster. But yeah, why do people think cats deserve better treatment than chickens or cows or deer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cats are spayed and neutered at the humane society to protect their population. I’ll give you one guess as to what open-season is about.
Yeah, I’m not saying there’s not legitimate cases for population control. It’s the people and their hobby I have opinions about. Would it be weird for people to go hunt cats, pose by their corpses for pictures, etc., like is done with deer if it was because cats impact the environment when it comes to bird population? If not, why bother spaying and neutering instead of just killing?
The Blacktail jackrabbit is invasive where I’m at, but rabbits in general are free game. You can find YouTube videos of teenagers going out and taking them.
The kill isn’t glorified, and the meat consumed.
videos
isn’t glorified
I can’t reconcile those ideas.
No one says this because that’s not at all what karma means.
What about catch and release fishing ? Or is that just animal torture ?
That’s so much worse. Why are you going fishing if not to eat your catch? That’s just animal cruelty.
Sticking a hook into something to drag it around and then temporarily suffocate it, yeah, that doesn’t seem pleasant.
Idk man, I felt pretty bad when I hooked a fish through the eye and released him now an eye down
I always thought catching release was fucked up. Just find a real hobby
The tug is the drug.
Had to come back to the thread to get context for this comment 😂
You sure nailed unpopular, although I’m on the fence about of its unpopular or your set of rules and refusing to hear the argument about eating is what’s unpopular.
Either way going to the grocery shop and buying meat is a purely psychopathic trait.
Knowing the animal has farmed for the soul purpose of being consumed, its entire life spent in a small enclosed area awaiting death.
The amount of disassociation that must go on for you to do this is insane.
And miss me with the sustainable farming and ethically farmed story. I’m not talking about that, just the torture and slaughter of millions of animals so you can have a burger from the shop.
I agree and don’t eat meat, I just wanted to extra call out the creepiness of going out of ones way to personally end the life of something without bringing up the usual trash arguments about respecting something you killed by eating it. That didn’t go well. Same dumb excuses as usual.
what are those “dumb arguments” and why do you disagree? you just push away everyone’s arguments without giving any valid reason
- you kill insects so you’re just as bad
- But I eat it so it’s ethical and respectful (nothing to do with the opinion I expressed)
- Cats are different than game
- Population control (nothing to do with the opinion I expressed)
I’m pushing away the arguments because they don’t actually address my point. They’re bad rhetoric. THEY are not giving valid reasons, it’s the same stuff I’ve heard before and it’s still bad rhetoric, that’s why I’m pushing them away. Pick one and we can go through it if you want.
Finally, an unpopular take.
I agree, also here in Europe in many countries hunting is a hobby for rich people, and it has nothing to do with respecting nature. Its more about killing and showing off the trophies.
Big cars, expensive weapons and over the top attitude. Wish they would ban it.
Trophy hunting. I agree. It’s disgusting.
I’m not talking about the consumption of animals
So you’re totally cool with outsourcing the killing of animals so that you can eat them, but draw the line at harvesting the meat yourself, eh? Animals from factory farmed meat plants live absolutely miserable lives. Participating in that industry is far more psychopathic than being willing to expend the time, and money to harvest your own meat, and being willing to be close enough to the process to completely understand exactly what you’re doing when you eat that juicy steak.
Don’t tell me it’s to eat, like I said, I’m not talking about the consumption here
There are hunters who eat what they harvest, and trophy hunters. Trophy hunters are far more rare these days. They’re pretty open about the fact that they’re pursuing a trophy animal to kill them for sport. They’re probably not reading your post, and they don’t care what people think about what they do. Are they psychopaths because of that? Probably not, but they definitely lean more towards the apathetic side of the emotional spectrum.
I met a dude that was a trophy Hunter. He was Mormon. Had some crazy ideas that the entire planet was given to people by God or whatever just to exploit and take. Fucking crazy.
Wow. Really leaning into the unpopular. I can dig it.
“It’s just peer pressure from the dead AND a fallacious argument.” Man, this is great.
Let’s ignore the dead people in the room (are they with us now?) How is it fallacious?
Literally the appeal to tradition, an informal fallacy.
With your logic, accidentally killing an animal with a car is the best thing. No premeditated thought, no planned anything. Just BAM! Finally some amino acids.
Yeah, comparatively. I guess in human terms it would be the difference between manslaughter vs premeditated murder. I find the whoops it’s dead less creepy than the let’s plan and carry out a killing.
Not an unpopular opinion here. I’d go as far as to include fishing just for the catch/photo/competition and horse riding, and most certainly horse racing.
Kudos for posting an actually unpopular opinion.
I’m not vegan in the sense that I do still use animal products; I realize that it’s wrong, but it’s difficult to get away from. I haven’t eaten meat in over a decade, so I guess that “vegetarian” is probably the best description.
That being said, I have FAR more respect for those who go hunting and fishing than for those who eat meat from a restaurant or supermarket. Eating a hamburger or a steak is easy. You simply go to a store and buy it. Yet people stick their head in the sand and ignore the fact that factory farming is a brutal practice that causes an absolutely disgusting amount of pain and suffering for animals. The masses conveniently ignore that fact and continue on with their meat-based diets.
Hunting an animal for food means that although you’re killing the animal, it’s still lived a natural life. It hasn’t suffered on a factory farm and been raised solely for human consumption. Hunters cause far less suffering than farmers.
Disagree. It’s a childish opinion easily refuted by anyone with just a basic understanding of communication. Clearly you’ve never had a single conversation with a farmer, hunter, or fisherman.
My conversations here must not count, nor have they improved my opinion.
