Telegram, it’s “encryption” or lack thereof, whatever, is hiding behind it’s owner. And he’s got a what, $5 million dollar bond or something? The platform is being made an example of. And his kneck is on the chopping block.
If you think he won’t fold, you’re insane. The logs (yes, logs) will be handed over. Keys to encryption will be. Whatever it takes to gain 100% full access, will be given.
To think they won’t is purposeful, blatent, fanboyism. And to turn the conversation into a Telegram and Signal comparison is just… ugh.
Signal ain’t on trial here. Telegram isn’t even in the same area code as Signal in terms of security. But you already know that. Telegram is not, was not and never will be a secure, privacy centered messaging program.
And because it allowed some of its users to treat it like it is one, with nefarious intent, is why it’s going to burn in flames. And tbh, it should. People treated like it’s secure. When it was anything but. Reap it.
I’m sure he’ll be fine. Extraordinary charges require extraordinary evidence.
He’s of the social class where governments will just grant you citizenship as a little treat. I don’t believe he’ll be in real prison the way you or me would be.
I suspect there’s more going on. My guess is that the police has infiltrated Telegram, found not-so-pleasant evidence, and him getting himself arrested in France is part of the deal.
Could also be because if his ties to Russia; Russian news has been particularly offensive when it comes to news about Durov despite the government and him having a falling out, and neither of Durov’s current nationalities being Russian. Could just be the Russians trying to stir the pot, but it’s a little strange considering the Russian communications control agency’s view on Telegram as a platform.
Or maybe they just found some edividence of him knowing specific details about the horrible shit on his platform and choosing not to do anything about it. Knowing about CSAM and not reporting it alone could be reason for an arrest in the jurisdiction his servers are in, after all.
He’s either blocking them in the name of “user privacy” fighting the “good fight” or he’s refusing them because he’ll very likely be implemented, lawfully on the charges they want access over.
My point is, Telegram is done. It’s a rat trap at this point and anyone associated with it getting their info scraped - purposely.
Telegram, it’s “encryption” or lack thereof, whatever, is hiding behind it’s owner. And he’s got a what, $5 million dollar bond or something? The platform is being made an example of. And his kneck is on the chopping block.
If you think he won’t fold, you’re insane. The logs (yes, logs) will be handed over. Keys to encryption will be. Whatever it takes to gain 100% full access, will be given.
To think they won’t is purposeful, blatent, fanboyism. And to turn the conversation into a Telegram and Signal comparison is just… ugh.
Signal ain’t on trial here. Telegram isn’t even in the same area code as Signal in terms of security. But you already know that. Telegram is not, was not and never will be a secure, privacy centered messaging program.
And because it allowed some of its users to treat it like it is one, with nefarious intent, is why it’s going to burn in flames. And tbh, it should. People treated like it’s secure. When it was anything but. Reap it.
I’m sure he’ll be fine. Extraordinary charges require extraordinary evidence.
He’s of the social class where governments will just grant you citizenship as a little treat. I don’t believe he’ll be in real prison the way you or me would be.
I suspect there’s more going on. My guess is that the police has infiltrated Telegram, found not-so-pleasant evidence, and him getting himself arrested in France is part of the deal.
Could also be because if his ties to Russia; Russian news has been particularly offensive when it comes to news about Durov despite the government and him having a falling out, and neither of Durov’s current nationalities being Russian. Could just be the Russians trying to stir the pot, but it’s a little strange considering the Russian communications control agency’s view on Telegram as a platform.
Or maybe they just found some edividence of him knowing specific details about the horrible shit on his platform and choosing not to do anything about it. Knowing about CSAM and not reporting it alone could be reason for an arrest in the jurisdiction his servers are in, after all.
Well there it is.
He’s either blocking them in the name of “user privacy” fighting the “good fight” or he’s refusing them because he’ll very likely be implemented, lawfully on the charges they want access over.
My point is, Telegram is done. It’s a rat trap at this point and anyone associated with it getting their info scraped - purposely.
That’s a pretty heft user base, there. GL.
Great discussion, BTW, man. I appreciate the back and forth. You were far more cival than me in this on a few things that is not lost on me.
Cheers.
Thanks. I’m glad every discussion online needs to be hostile 👍