> Greta Thunberg > @GretaThunberg
[https://x.com/GretaThunberg/status/1852331823428247927] > > #UsaElection
#USA2024 #StopArminglsrael #FreePalestine #ClimateJusticeNow > > This year we
have seen many defining elections all over the world. On November 5th, It is
time for one of the most powerful countries in the world — the USA — to go to
the polls. It is probably Impossible to overestimate the consequences this
specific election will have for the world and for the future of humanity. > >
There is no doubt that one of the candidates — Trump — is way more dangerous
than the other. But no matter if Trump or Harris wins, the USA — a country built
on stolen land and genocide on indigenous people -will soll be an imperialist
hyper-capitalist world power that will ultimately continue to lead the world
further into a racist, unequal world with an ever increasingly escalating
climate- and environmental emergency. > > With this in mind, my main message to
Americans is to remember that you cannot only settle for the least worst option.
Democracy is not only every four years on election day, but also every hour of
every day in between. You cannot think you have done “enough’ only by voting,
especially when both those candidates have blood on their hands. Lets not forget
that the genocide in Palestine is happening under the Biden and Harris
administration, with American money and complicity. It is not in any way
'feminist.” “progressive” or “humanitarian” to bomb innocent children and
civilians — it is the opposite, even It it is a woman in charge. And this is of
course one example among many of American imperialism. I cannot for my life
understand how some can even pretend to talk about humanitarian values, without
even questioning their own role In further deepening global oppression and
massacres of entire countries. > > So, Americans, you must do everything in your
power to call out this extreme hypocrisy and the catastrophic consequences
American Imperialism has on a global scale. Be uncomfortable, fill the streets,
block, organise, boycott, occupy, explicitly call out those in power whose
actions and Inaction lead to death and destruction. Join and support those who
are resisting and leading the change. Nothing less will ever be acceptable.
Mod of !anarchism@slrpnk.net posts a great Greta Thunberg quote, but then tries to use it to justify not voting in the upcoming US election
Multiple people point out that’s very clearly not what she meant
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Using your mod powers to decide who is allowed and not allowed to speak is not very anarchist of you, @mambabasa@slrpnk.net
Mambabasa’s posting history at the time I looked at it started with:
Kamala Harris = genocide
Kamala Harris = genocide
Democrats = party of genocide
Kamala Harris = genocide
Democrats = genocide
Greta Thunberg quote
“Elect the Democrats” satire
“Vote Democrat” satire
“Vote Democrat” satire
“Vote Democrat” satire
“Don’t think, just vote” satire
“Vote Democrat” satire
“Don’t think, just vote” satire
I don’t think it’s inflammatory or a conspiracy theory to say that there’s a visible pattern there which points to a very un-anti-electoral goal for their participation. If I was doing half the spamminess of participation that their history evinces, or done half as much inflammatory participation as they’ve done in these comments, I’d leave the platform on my own, feeling bad that I’d done that much to bring badness to the platform.
SLRPNK is an intentionally both an international instance, as well as an ideologically diverse instance. We give a lot of autonomy to moderators. Despite being administered by anarchists and having a significant membership that identifies as anarchist, we expect our anti-fascist moderators to follow the politics of their conscience rather than toe a particular anarchist line. Solarpunk is an internationalist movement, and should not be dominated by any one country or culture.
These two goals sometimes create tension. A significant portion of our international audience is from the United States, and some SLRPNK moderators have filled their community feeds with Democratic Party propaganda. I guarantee @mambabasa does not want Trump to win, and criticizing the hypocrisy of liberal politicians and the losing proposition of elevating electoral politics above direct action is not an endorsement of fascism.
Mambabasa’s posting history at the time I looked at it started with:
His meme posts exist in the context of a local feed full of United States election centered news in what is supposed to be a haven for internationalists and anarchists. They’re a reminder that anarchists are not edgy Democrats, and if that idea is offensive, you can unsubscribe and block !anarchism and !notvoting@slrpnk.net. Other people existing who don’t share your politics and have their own spaces should not be so threatening to someone with confidence in their own ideology.
I wasn’t asking that as a sarcastic question. It was serious.
I don’t think there are communities on Slrpnk that are brimming with Democratic propaganda. There’s some kind of weird backwards-ism going on here, where Mambabasa constantly spamming stuff about Harris and the Democrats counts as some kind of innocent anarchism, and I’m dogpiling partisan propaganda on him when I say that actually it sounds pretty clear to me that Greta Thunberg is saying Trump and specifically Trump is a terrible threat. I think you’re exaggerating events into this caricature, and then telling me straight-faced that the caricature is what’s going on. But, maybe not. Maybe I’m wrong. So, I asked about the Democratic propaganda on Slrpnk that you’re saying is happening.
I think the bulk of Lemmy, anarchist and not, sees it the same way I do here. You can look up and down in these comments if you want. You and the other Slrpnk admins are not required to see it the same, of course, or to give me a serious response. You can say whatever you like. But it was a serious question.
I didn’t think you were asking sarcastically. But I don’t think you’re serious.
You’re attacking SLRPNK for being covert Republican operatives when you’re simultaneously commenting in another YPTB thread that’s calling us out for being covert Democrats. I should not have to do this much hand-holding with someone who genuinely wants information. The answers are right under your nose, but it benefits your grandstanding victim complex not to see them.
You’re attacking SLRPNK for being covert Republican operatives
I didn’t say that. I said Mambabasa is. I think the rest of the Slrpnk team is supporting him in this because he identifies himself as an anarchist and fits in with your team.
He posted a meme about Jill Stein, which is a weird thing for an anti-electoralist to do, and then denied ever having done that and claimed not to know who “this Jill person” was, when I asked him about it. He’s been assaulting various people in the comments for all kinds of various imaginary things.
Most of the anarchists and others in this comment section who looked at his conduct, and his posting pattern, haven’t been at all in favor of what he’s doing. I don’t know if anyone but me thinks he is deliberately posting political propaganda. I definitely think that. I think the rest of you are being overly kind to someone who is hijacking the community you’re providing so they can propagandize it, giving a bad name to anarchism by their overall conduct, and not really promoting anarchism for the last few weeks, so much as let’s-elect-Trump ism. Some other clues such as posting Greta Thunberg’s quote and insisting that it means we can vote for third parties since it doesn’t matter who wins the election are present as well.
You can think what you like. But yes, that is what I am attacking him for.
you’re simultaneously commenting in another YPTB thread that’s calling us out for being covert Democrats
You missed the “/s”?
I was clearly making fun of the OP of that post for complaining about Slrpnk being covert Democrats, when Slrpnk is about the furthest thing possible from that, and the issue was clearly OP. It seems like what I said was widely understood to mean that within the comments.
I have no idea. If I had to guess, I would say that index’s history pegs them as one of the accounts that posts almost exclusively “why the Democrats and specifically the Democrats are bad” content, along with being aggressively toxic to anyone who has anything to say about it, and they were banned for the toxicity and then proceeded to whine about it using whatever random bad-faith nonsense came to mind. In this case, what came to mind was the well-worn trope that the mods were brainwashed by liberal propaganda and were censoring anything truthful to try to push their program of getting Kamala Harris elected.
I don’t know any of that for sure of course, and I didn’t care enough to do more than a brief investigation. I just thought it was funny that they were applying reflexive accusations of liberal whitewashing against a target that was even sillier than most of the targets that it gets applied against.
Mambabasa’s posting history at the time I looked at it started with:
I don’t think it’s inflammatory or a conspiracy theory to say that there’s a visible pattern there which points to a very un-anti-electoral goal for their participation. If I was doing half the spamminess of participation that their history evinces, or done half as much inflammatory participation as they’ve done in these comments, I’d leave the platform on my own, feeling bad that I’d done that much to bring badness to the platform.
Clearly. Like I said, have fun with it.
SLRPNK is an intentionally both an international instance, as well as an ideologically diverse instance. We give a lot of autonomy to moderators. Despite being administered by anarchists and having a significant membership that identifies as anarchist, we expect our anti-fascist moderators to follow the politics of their conscience rather than toe a particular anarchist line. Solarpunk is an internationalist movement, and should not be dominated by any one country or culture.
These two goals sometimes create tension. A significant portion of our international audience is from the United States, and some SLRPNK moderators have filled their community feeds with Democratic Party propaganda. I guarantee @mambabasa does not want Trump to win, and criticizing the hypocrisy of liberal politicians and the losing proposition of elevating electoral politics above direct action is not an endorsement of fascism.
His meme posts exist in the context of a local feed full of United States election centered news in what is supposed to be a haven for internationalists and anarchists. They’re a reminder that anarchists are not edgy Democrats, and if that idea is offensive, you can unsubscribe and block !anarchism and !notvoting@slrpnk.net. Other people existing who don’t share your politics and have their own spaces should not be so threatening to someone with confidence in their own ideology.
Do you have an example of this? Which community?
Ask this guy, I think he can guess at least one of them. Remember to tell him anarchist admins are the real authoritarians because we support our community moderators, and that we’re bad for letting people into our space to use it for political propaganda, because they are making a pretty thin and implausible claim to being on our team.
I wasn’t asking that as a sarcastic question. It was serious.
I don’t think there are communities on Slrpnk that are brimming with Democratic propaganda. There’s some kind of weird backwards-ism going on here, where Mambabasa constantly spamming stuff about Harris and the Democrats counts as some kind of innocent anarchism, and I’m dogpiling partisan propaganda on him when I say that actually it sounds pretty clear to me that Greta Thunberg is saying Trump and specifically Trump is a terrible threat. I think you’re exaggerating events into this caricature, and then telling me straight-faced that the caricature is what’s going on. But, maybe not. Maybe I’m wrong. So, I asked about the Democratic propaganda on Slrpnk that you’re saying is happening.
I think the bulk of Lemmy, anarchist and not, sees it the same way I do here. You can look up and down in these comments if you want. You and the other Slrpnk admins are not required to see it the same, of course, or to give me a serious response. You can say whatever you like. But it was a serious question.
I didn’t think you were asking sarcastically. But I don’t think you’re serious.
You’re attacking SLRPNK for being covert Republican operatives when you’re simultaneously commenting in another YPTB thread that’s calling us out for being covert Democrats. I should not have to do this much hand-holding with someone who genuinely wants information. The answers are right under your nose, but it benefits your grandstanding victim complex not to see them.
I didn’t say that. I said Mambabasa is. I think the rest of the Slrpnk team is supporting him in this because he identifies himself as an anarchist and fits in with your team.
He posted a meme about Jill Stein, which is a weird thing for an anti-electoralist to do, and then denied ever having done that and claimed not to know who “this Jill person” was, when I asked him about it. He’s been assaulting various people in the comments for all kinds of various imaginary things.
Most of the anarchists and others in this comment section who looked at his conduct, and his posting pattern, haven’t been at all in favor of what he’s doing. I don’t know if anyone but me thinks he is deliberately posting political propaganda. I definitely think that. I think the rest of you are being overly kind to someone who is hijacking the community you’re providing so they can propagandize it, giving a bad name to anarchism by their overall conduct, and not really promoting anarchism for the last few weeks, so much as let’s-elect-Trump ism. Some other clues such as posting Greta Thunberg’s quote and insisting that it means we can vote for third parties since it doesn’t matter who wins the election are present as well.
You can think what you like. But yes, that is what I am attacking him for.
You missed the “/s”?
I was clearly making fun of the OP of that post for complaining about Slrpnk being covert Democrats, when Slrpnk is about the furthest thing possible from that, and the issue was clearly OP. It seems like what I said was widely understood to mean that within the comments.
No. I understand your sarcasm. I’m confused by your sincerity.
Why do you think the OP mistook SLRPNK for Democrats?
I have no idea. If I had to guess, I would say that index’s history pegs them as one of the accounts that posts almost exclusively “why the Democrats and specifically the Democrats are bad” content, along with being aggressively toxic to anyone who has anything to say about it, and they were banned for the toxicity and then proceeded to whine about it using whatever random bad-faith nonsense came to mind. In this case, what came to mind was the well-worn trope that the mods were brainwashed by liberal propaganda and were censoring anything truthful to try to push their program of getting Kamala Harris elected.
I don’t know any of that for sure of course, and I didn’t care enough to do more than a brief investigation. I just thought it was funny that they were applying reflexive accusations of liberal whitewashing against a target that was even sillier than most of the targets that it gets applied against.