• chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      Primaries during incumbent sessions are never serious for any party, so 2012 doesn’t really count.

      They had a very long primary process in 2016, but Hillary won. Yes, the establishment wanted her, but she also won more primaries than Bernie by the time the convention came around, so the super delegates deciding not to overturn the will of the primary voters is hard to argue against, even though I preferred Bernie.

      2020 had a primary season, and Biden won.

      2024, they had an incumbent, and Biden didn’t drop out until like 2 weeks before the convention.

      And there were down-ballot races in the primaries endo one of those years and more. Did you vote in all of them, or are you just bitching because the people who do get off their ass and participate don’t do what you want?

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        1 hour ago

        you made an excuse for 2012, covered up the systemic corruption in 2016 and 2020, and made another excuse for 2024.

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          There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries. If people had voted differently in them we’d had different candidates.

          Once again, did you put in a minimal amount of effort to educate yourself on the candidates and participate, or did you just whine about it after the fact?

          What about the other primary years when the important stuff is really decided? Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom. You think Bill Clinton would’ve been President if he hadn’t been Governor? You think he would’ve been Governor if he hadn’t been Attourney General? You think he wouldn’t have been Attourney General if he hadn’t previously run for the House?

          There were primary elections every step of that path, and he won them all. That’s how he became Bill Clinton. And why did he win that first nomination?

          He was a coordinator for the McGovern campaign and clerked for Senator Fullbright.

          People don’t magically get nominated for the Presidency. It takes decades, and the people who will be nominees in the future are running for county clerk, state rep, or city council now. But if you only show up to vote in general elections every 2-4 years, or only vote in the Presidenial primaries, you don’t get to bitch about who gets selected because you wait 20 years to give your input on a candidate.

          Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.

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            There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries.

            this is a lie, by the dncs own admission

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            47 minutes ago

            Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.

            stop bitciing about others discontent

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            48 minutes ago

            Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom.

            this is the whole ball of wax