A migrant from Guatemala allegedly lit a woman on fire on a New York City subway train and stuck around to watch her burn to death just three days before Christmas.
OK, but how can you just brush past the very real concern for the safety of American citizens? Fear-mongering wouldn’t work if people felt secure. The fact is that people don’t, and there ought to be some way to address that without demonizing anyone.
People don’t feel secure because they have been told not to by the right wing media. The numbers show that immigrants commit far fewer violent crimes than US citizens, with every single metric pointing towards a decline of ALL crime. We are in the most peaceful and safe time in history by most every metric, but we are also in the time with the easiest access to information, so people think things are crazy and violent because they have access to news that talks about it worldwide.
I’m the 1850s you’d hear about this awful happening across the country a week after the fact in the paper - today you can practically see it in real time. It warps our perception of how safe/unsafe we are and is used as a way to create an “other” to demonize in order to gain power. Just as the Nazis made their “other” the Jews, so too have conservatives made their “other” immigrants and trans people. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they can realize they’ve been had for years by grifters.
Generally speaking the places that can’t stop migrant crime also don’t stop citizen crime. Deporting illegal immigrants is an easy way to decrease some crime so I think the inaction on that front makes people frustrated. But at the same time you’re right about citizen crime being a bigger problem than migrant crime, and additionally the rarer a thing is the more likely instances of it are to go viral since they’re sensational and dramatic.
We are in the most peaceful and safe time in history by most every metric, but we are also in the time with the easiest access to information, so people think things are crazy and violent because they have access to news that talks about it worldwide.
To be fair, violent crime is rising, so while yes America is extremely safe and one of the safest places in the world, it also is getting more dangerous.
A slight uptick in violent crime today compared to the numbers we had in the 70s (19th or 20th Century, take your pick) is drastically lower still.
As to the point of deportations, no, it isn’t an “easy way” to reduce crime. The logistical strain of such an action and disruption to our economy is staggering to even think about. In a morbid way, the handful of crimes committed by illegal immigrants are acceptable casualties on the altar of economic stability: if people won’t stand for expensive eggs (thanks bird flu), they sure as shit won’t stand for EVERYTHING that uses migrant labor going up dramatically either.
Firstly, it’s a bit odd that you’re comparing our crime stats to the 70s, as that’s completely irrelevant. Nobody on the right is comparing current crime rates to the crime rates of the 70s.
Secondly, you’re completely right that mass deportations aren’t “easy”, I should I have said simple. It’s like, “oh, a bunch of these people are causing crimes, let’s get rid of them and we’ll have less crime”. Even if you pull that off, you’ll still have crime from the citizens that’s not being dealt with, which I believe is something we agree on.
Thirdly, I don’t think depriving workers of rights is worth cheaper eggs. On that front, you sound pretty hyper-capitalistic, to an absurd degree.
I’m comparing crime statistics to their historical numbers - the 70s was simply the first that came to mind. Pick any historical time, and the crime was higher.
I never said I agree with the workers being exploited is worth it - I am saying that the system the people calling for mass deportations within is dependent on the ruthless exploitation of millions of people, whether they like it or not. If they struggle to deal with expensive eggs, they will be in for a very rude awakening when the cheap labor that makes things so cheap goes away.
OK, but how can you just brush past the very real concern for the safety of American citizens? Fear-mongering wouldn’t work if people felt secure. The fact is that people don’t, and there ought to be some way to address that without demonizing anyone.
People don’t feel secure because they have been told not to by the right wing media. The numbers show that immigrants commit far fewer violent crimes than US citizens, with every single metric pointing towards a decline of ALL crime. We are in the most peaceful and safe time in history by most every metric, but we are also in the time with the easiest access to information, so people think things are crazy and violent because they have access to news that talks about it worldwide.
I’m the 1850s you’d hear about this awful happening across the country a week after the fact in the paper - today you can practically see it in real time. It warps our perception of how safe/unsafe we are and is used as a way to create an “other” to demonize in order to gain power. Just as the Nazis made their “other” the Jews, so too have conservatives made their “other” immigrants and trans people. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they can realize they’ve been had for years by grifters.
Generally speaking the places that can’t stop migrant crime also don’t stop citizen crime. Deporting illegal immigrants is an easy way to decrease some crime so I think the inaction on that front makes people frustrated. But at the same time you’re right about citizen crime being a bigger problem than migrant crime, and additionally the rarer a thing is the more likely instances of it are to go viral since they’re sensational and dramatic.
To be fair, violent crime is rising, so while yes America is extremely safe and one of the safest places in the world, it also is getting more dangerous.
https://www.allsides.com/story/violence-america-fbi-quietly-revises-2022-data-showing-45-rise-violent-crime
Why would the FBI sneakily downgrade violent crime stats? As with any police force, crime is good business, good for funding and staffing.
It was certainly a reporting, new info, or bureaucratic thing.
A slight uptick in violent crime today compared to the numbers we had in the 70s (19th or 20th Century, take your pick) is drastically lower still.
As to the point of deportations, no, it isn’t an “easy way” to reduce crime. The logistical strain of such an action and disruption to our economy is staggering to even think about. In a morbid way, the handful of crimes committed by illegal immigrants are acceptable casualties on the altar of economic stability: if people won’t stand for expensive eggs (thanks bird flu), they sure as shit won’t stand for EVERYTHING that uses migrant labor going up dramatically either.
Firstly, it’s a bit odd that you’re comparing our crime stats to the 70s, as that’s completely irrelevant. Nobody on the right is comparing current crime rates to the crime rates of the 70s.
Secondly, you’re completely right that mass deportations aren’t “easy”, I should I have said simple. It’s like, “oh, a bunch of these people are causing crimes, let’s get rid of them and we’ll have less crime”. Even if you pull that off, you’ll still have crime from the citizens that’s not being dealt with, which I believe is something we agree on.
Thirdly, I don’t think depriving workers of rights is worth cheaper eggs. On that front, you sound pretty hyper-capitalistic, to an absurd degree.
I’m comparing crime statistics to their historical numbers - the 70s was simply the first that came to mind. Pick any historical time, and the crime was higher.
I never said I agree with the workers being exploited is worth it - I am saying that the system the people calling for mass deportations within is dependent on the ruthless exploitation of millions of people, whether they like it or not. If they struggle to deal with expensive eggs, they will be in for a very rude awakening when the cheap labor that makes things so cheap goes away.