I don’t get this. AI bros talk about how “in the near future” no one will “need” to be a writer, a filmmaker or a musician anymore, as you’ll be able to generate your own media with your own parameters and preferences on the fly. This, to me, feels like such an insane opinion. How can someone not value the ingenuity and creativity behind a work of art? Do these people not see or feel the human behind it all? And are these really opinions that you’ve encountered outside of the internet?

  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 days ago

    You do realise a barrier to entry doesn’t mean that something is literally impossible for everyone, but that it’s an obstacle for some?

    It’s disingenuous comparing art someone would want to look at produced today to literal caveman drawings.

    And yes artists are absolutely rich elites, the often very literal top 10%, feel free to look at my other comments ITT for why I’ve found this to be the case.

    • agent_nycto@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      Dude artists are some of the most broke people out there, to the point where the starving artist is a trope, what are you smoking?

      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        11·
        6 days ago

        I only smoke consume nicotine, water and food, cheers. I’ve heard of the trope but have never seen a contemporary example IRL or even not IRL if I think about it.

        See my response to a similar question here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/15822412

        I understand it’s “common knowledge” but I’ve been questioning it for a while.

        I’m happy to be proven wrong if you’d be willing, but so far I’ve not been and as such I’m not sure this trope has any resemblance to reality in the modern day.

        • agent_nycto@lemmy.world
          11·
          4 days ago

          It’s called sample bias. You’re only talking about the artists you’ve personally met, not the statistics of artists as a whole.

          I also think you’ve got a bias in favor of tech bros because you see them as hard workers, and see artists as lazy elites.

          And when I am talking about artists, I’m not talking about the small fraction that are in “high” arts with museums n shit.

          It sounds to me that you you don’t really know a lot of artists and don’t really know a lot about this whole situation but still managed to form an opinion.

          • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            11·
            3 days ago

            It’s called sample bias. You’re only talking about the artists you’ve personally met, not the statistics of artists as a whole.

            I know what sample bias is.

            If you read my linked comment carefully, I’m not talking about just people I’d met IRL personally, I genuinely don’t know of any actually struggling contemporary artbros.

            Statistics lie, like I said, they may earn less on paper as a wage, but they are raking it in otherwise or have QoL far superior to even the top wagies, if they couldn’t, they’d be working at a factory.

            And when I am talking about artists, I’m not talking about the small fraction that are in “high” arts with museums n shit.

            And did I mention or imply I meant anything of the sort? No by artbros I just meant (like in the linked comment) people who are professionally doing things like animating, drawing, 3D modeling/CGI, writing, film or music.

            What relevance does this section of your comment pose? Is it just an attempt at strawmanning me as some ignoramus who thinks arts are just in museums or something? It’s not very nice of you.

            also think you’ve got a bias in favor of tech bros because you see them as hard workers, and see artists as lazy elites.

            Prove me wrong then.

            It sounds to me that you you don’t really know a lot of artists and don’t really know a lot about this whole situation but still managed to form an opinion.

            If that were the case I’d still know way more than you it seems.

            Or do you have an actual counterpoint, like an example?

            • agent_nycto@lemmy.world
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              11 hours ago

              So you’re saying you don’t know of any financially struggling artists.

              How exactly would you hear about an artist who isn’t doing well financially but is so popular you’d hear about them? If you actually hung out in artist circles then you’d know a lot of artists like that, so yeah, I’m assuming you don’t.

              You said that if they appeared to not be making money they are essentially lying about it or going off to work in a factory.

              So you’re preventively arguing against any evidence to the contrary of the poor artist. As for the factory part, my brother in Christ, that’s what most artists have to do. They work part time or full time jobs, sometimes multiple jobs, to supplement their income.

              As for your definition of artbro, that’s a myopic sliver of the art world as a whole, and I am dismissing your aren’t to limit the conversation to just those people, because the topic is about generative ai which affects the WHOLE art community. Amateurs to full on professionals. In every branch of the arts.

              I guess this is where the miscommunication has been happening, since I’m talking about artists as a whole and you’re only talking about those which have gotten jobs in specific industries.

              So I apologize, I thought you were coming from a more holistic, knowledgeable, informed, and experienced position than you were and shouldn’t have put that upon you.