Yes i also did gcse history and learnt about Chamberlain
Perhaps we could avoid war instead by making Russia a geopolitical ally rather than continually making them an enemy? Its not like we have any trouble making strategic alliances with other disreputable states.
No this chat by starmer is sabre rattling stupidity , what i dont fully understand is why they do it. The USA will be taking all the spoils from this war.
Perhaps we could avoid war instead by making Russia a geopolitical ally rather than continually making them an enemy? Its not like we have any trouble making strategic alliances with other disreputable states.
Have we just conveniently memory holed world politics post the annexation of Crimea where we tried to ameliorate relations with Russia and what did that get us? A couple hundred thousand dead Ukrainians and Russians?
Im not sure what you’re referring to but i do know that USA has been interfering in the Ukraine which Russia considers its backyard. Imagine if Russia started arming and funding militias in alaska or mexico? (I know you’re probably going to bring up Russian bots but that isnt the same, and the USA does that kind of shit all the time).
Would we have had a couple hundred thousand dead if we hadn’t armed Ukrainian military? No the war would have ended if Russia just took the corridor it seems to want. If Russia had taken the whole country there would have been many resistance fighters but nowhere near the scale we’ve seen.
In any case , while we’ve been talking the russian minister at the talks with trump has said they wont accept peacekeeping forces anyway. So this is all futile speculation. There won’t be peacekeeping forces unless you want to prolong the war.
Perhaps we could avoid war instead by making Russia a geopolitical ally rather than continually making them an enemy?
You’re making this out as if this is Europe’s fault and Russia is the innocent party here. Perhaps Russia should stop fucking about in Europe, pull out of Ukraine and start to work on thawing diplomatic relations. The ball is in their court.
No this chat by starmer is sabre rattling stupidity , what i dont fully understand is why they do it.
Probably to act as a deterrent to further Russia escalations and help with the security of Ukraine.
You remember that adversary lives in the same world. And has the same to lose as you. Sorta the point of MAD.
If you don’t think that adversary fears the end of the world. Then you do not believe anything but total domination will ever appease them. So trying is just the ends of your world in exchange for their overthrowing everything they don’t believe in.
If they do not care about ending the world. Any appeasement is just a delay to their ultimate goals and your death. If they care. They have the same nuclear armed adversary argument to not use their arms.
Just bowing to the bully only reinforces the effectivity of them being a bully. And ensure the same threat will be used for anything they want.
My point is the only way to “defeat” them is to literally have boots in Moscow, if you try to do that then they they have no reason not to launch their nukes, they already lost. That’s the point of MAD, any attempt to fully defeat a nuclear armed nation means everyone loses, which is why Russia will never attack a nuclear armed nation.
If you only push them back to whatever border you want, then they will still be just the other side of that border shooting at you.
Nope, it is also to make taking Ukraine more expensive than they can afford.
Something happening at a rapid rate. Russia was not very fiscally stable before the war. With western sanctions and the huge cost. It is rapidly collapsing. And likely to face its own internal leadership challenge eventually.
The bully that starts the war doesn’t need to be appeased to stop the war. They need to be defeated.
History tells this is the only way. Appeasement just drags the way out until the bully bullies again.
Yes i also did gcse history and learnt about Chamberlain
Perhaps we could avoid war instead by making Russia a geopolitical ally rather than continually making them an enemy? Its not like we have any trouble making strategic alliances with other disreputable states.
No this chat by starmer is sabre rattling stupidity , what i dont fully understand is why they do it. The USA will be taking all the spoils from this war.
Have we just conveniently memory holed world politics post the annexation of Crimea where we tried to ameliorate relations with Russia and what did that get us? A couple hundred thousand dead Ukrainians and Russians?
Im not sure what you’re referring to but i do know that USA has been interfering in the Ukraine which Russia considers its backyard. Imagine if Russia started arming and funding militias in alaska or mexico? (I know you’re probably going to bring up Russian bots but that isnt the same, and the USA does that kind of shit all the time).
Would we have had a couple hundred thousand dead if we hadn’t armed Ukrainian military? No the war would have ended if Russia just took the corridor it seems to want. If Russia had taken the whole country there would have been many resistance fighters but nowhere near the scale we’ve seen.
In any case , while we’ve been talking the russian minister at the talks with trump has said they wont accept peacekeeping forces anyway. So this is all futile speculation. There won’t be peacekeeping forces unless you want to prolong the war.
You’re making this out as if this is Europe’s fault and Russia is the innocent party here. Perhaps Russia should stop fucking about in Europe, pull out of Ukraine and start to work on thawing diplomatic relations. The ball is in their court.
Probably to act as a deterrent to further Russia escalations and help with the security of Ukraine.
We were making Russia a geopolitical ally. Russia decided to invade Ukraine. Appeasement met with backstabbing.
How do you defeat a nuclear armed adversary without causing the end of the world?
You don’t do it by appeasing then and allowing them to invade neighbors.
You remember that adversary lives in the same world. And has the same to lose as you. Sorta the point of MAD.
If you don’t think that adversary fears the end of the world. Then you do not believe anything but total domination will ever appease them. So trying is just the ends of your world in exchange for their overthrowing everything they don’t believe in.
If they do not care about ending the world. Any appeasement is just a delay to their ultimate goals and your death. If they care. They have the same nuclear armed adversary argument to not use their arms.
Just bowing to the bully only reinforces the effectivity of them being a bully. And ensure the same threat will be used for anything they want.
My point is the only way to “defeat” them is to literally have boots in Moscow, if you try to do that then they they have no reason not to launch their nukes, they already lost. That’s the point of MAD, any attempt to fully defeat a nuclear armed nation means everyone loses, which is why Russia will never attack a nuclear armed nation.
If you only push them back to whatever border you want, then they will still be just the other side of that border shooting at you.
Only way to “defeat” them.
Nope, it is also to make taking Ukraine more expensive than they can afford.
Something happening at a rapid rate. Russia was not very fiscally stable before the war. With western sanctions and the huge cost. It is rapidly collapsing. And likely to face its own internal leadership challenge eventually.