An enraged Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) again lashed out at Senate Democrats over what she called Friday evening an “inexplicable abdication.”
An enraged Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) again lashed out at Senate Democrats over what she called Friday evening an “inexplicable abdication.”
I have been thinking about this and im no longer sure this was a bad move. With what trump is doing now in tearing apart the government. It can be fought in the courts. With a shutdown he would have cart blanche to furlough anyone he wants and keep paying his insiders and the courts could not say boo because shutdown. Further he could say all bad effects are because of the democrats because shutdown. At least now the courts can fight it and the bad effects are all from his poor decisions.
Federal courts can still operate after government shutdown. While most of their funding comes from the Congress, they have their reserve funds and others sources like fees from court document filings.
they can operate but because of the shutdown employees have to be furloughed and they can choose anyone. when they fire someone it can be done without cause or break laws that can allow the courts to undo it but there will be little ability to undo a furlough that is because of a shutdown.
You’re missing a fundamental truth here. They control the government. If they wanted to shut it down they could have done that. This bill was better for them than a straight up shut down.
There’s also the other problem which is if someone needs your votes on a bill to pass it then you should be able to negotiate things into said bill before you vote for it. That’s politics 101. Chuck Schumer has failed at the very fundamental aspect of politics here. He gave away his vote for nothing. Or as I suspect gave it away because he’s okay with everything in the bill because it’s what he wants as well.
It would have looked incredibly bad for them to shut it down. They are the party in control. Its their bill. Its not like shuttding down is way better its merely a win win for them. Its only the minority party where it makes a differnece. All previous cases where the presidency was not looking to simply tear apart the government a shutdown was bad for them but since it effectively does what trump is already doing it would not really matter much for him.
They very very very obviously don’t care if they look bad. I honestly don’t understand how you could have any other impression. They got what they wanted. Plain and simple. They made this bill so bad that it was worse than a government shutdown and Chuck Schumer still accepted it.
I mean I made my point but will expand. Under shutdown. They furlough anyone they want. They say any bad effects are from the shutdown (democrats). Courts are powerless to say who gets furloughed because its a shutdown (as opposed to unlawful firings). After shutdown they fire furloughed people because hey they got by without them during the shutdown (even though they really didn’t). They got what they want either way but since the government is the only one challenging the illegal behavior its in some ways better with the shutdown especially when they can blame dems for it. I honestly think the shudown is preferable for them as long as they can say its not their fault.
Even if the right move was “give up and do what the Republicans want,” they still did a terrible job. House Democrats held the line and stuck their necks out, only to get blindsided, and Schumer shouldn’t have signaled that there’d be a fight right before he caved. The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing, and only a handful of people in the party seem to even be trying to do anything.
I can agree with the second part but the first part is just a phrasing to make it sound bad. I mean the move to use the republicans blunder against them sounds a lot better. I don’t really know what internal talk went with the democrats but I would not be surprised if it was somewhat like what we see online but with the membership with some saying we can’t go with anything they do on principle and others saying wait a second doing that will be overall worse.
If a shutdown is such a win for trump, why weren’t republicans voting against cloture?
because they would look incredibly stupid. it was their bill. also in win win scenarios it does not really matter.
republicans do not care how stupid they look.
Yeah, remember when Moscow Mitch filibustered his own bill because Dems were in favor of it? Good times!
I’m glad someone is saying this.
While I understand people don’t want to give Trump any wins, choosing the shut the government down is the wrong hill to die on. Given the chaos that DOGE has caused, and the executive branch throwing around their power completely unchecked, shutting down the government would plunge america into chaos.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Trump had a plan to frame the government shutdown as “government inefficiency” and use it to grab much more executive power.
Let the Republicans take the blame for bring it all down.
Oh wait, you’re right. The Democrats would never blame them either.
I mean, does it really matter?
Even if the Democrats are blaming Trump for the shutdown, what do you think would be Trump’s next move after Congress refuses to fund the government?