Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.
I literally rage quit reddit over this. Hence why am on Lemmy now. Hopefully we can draw more users from Reddit over here. Esp with the boycott of all things US.
We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.
So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.
Let’s not play dumb. Evoking the image of Luigi is in itself a gesture towards violence. That’s the point. Why discuss billionaires and show a picture of Luigi instead of Mary Poppins? Because of what Luigi did and what he represents. It’s implying a desirable solution.
It’s bullshit that Reddit removes this stuff, and it reveals where their loyalties lie, but we’re not on Reddit anymore.
Stop acting like a conservative and just say what you mean.
Or maybe act more like a conservative and obscure your viewpoints more so they don’t get banned. Let’s go Mary Poppins memes.
Agreed. Asking nicely is the only way to get the billionaires to stop.
fuck off, that’s not what I meant. I’m saying stop ACTING like you’re asking nicely.
If you knew about The Haymarket Affair, you would understand what it takes to strip power from robber barons.
I read about it and I’m a little confused. I’m not who you replied to, just a curious lurker. That’s a fascinating and very powerful event so first thank you for sharing, but I couldn’t figure out how it culminates in stripping power from robber barons
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Because they own the platform.
Hence, why Lemmy was needed.
Lemmy’s security is largely in its obscurity. If the community ever gains the degree of popularity or prominence as Reddit, it will succumb to all the same socio-economic pressures.
Hell, Reddit’s origin story isn’t far off from Lemmy’s. A left-wing FOSS guy pioneers a novel means of aggregating information in a relatively decentralized and community-oriented way. But then the capitalists move in, he’s arrested, the administration of the site is auctioned off to VCs, and the site is slowly mutated into an echo chamber for neoliberal propagandists and reactionary agitators to scream at one another, drowning everything else out.
Lemmyites want to believe they’ve engineered a technical solution to what is ultimately a socio-economic problem. The human labor that makes Lemmy work can be attacked and replaced, the communities that form alienated from one another and censored by moderators and dispersed, and the popularity monetized here just like has happened elsewhere.
This isn’t a safe social media space. Its just a lingering redoubt in an internet that’s been under siege for decades.
That it literally why we have Lemmy and other AP sites. Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
Likewise reddit was never decentralised.
Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
There is no particular reason why a committed group of business professionals couldn’t work their way onto the largely volunteer Lemmy team and hijack the project, buy out major site administrators, or point the Feds in their direction like they did with Aaron Swartz or Ross Ulbricht.
There’s nothing magical about the Fediverse. Its still the product of human labor and hardware, just like every other online space.
Reddit was never FOSS. Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better. If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
Reddit was never FOSS.
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo, did a (possibly deliberately) poor job of maintaining the repo despite this source code resulting in a plethora of 3rd party site enhancements and feature suites, then ultimately close its code nine years later.
Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
RedHat did Linux extremely dirty, and they’re hardly the first. It also has a significantly larger, more skilled, and more international userbase.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better.
That’s a beautiful lie. Lemmy’s federation has been its pioneering feature, but it continues to backslide into Reddit-with-Extra-Steps. If anyone could claim they were building something truly novel, it was Mastadon. But that complexity and novelty has been an albatross around their necks since day one.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo
I stand corrected, although it seems to have beern a corporate gambit.
I can see where you’re coming from, reading you’re other reply in this thread, but I’ll just try to hold on to my idealism a bit longer :)
Like, don’t get me wrong. Lemmy’s a better place than Reddit ever was. There’s reason to be hopeful. But I see a lot of reflexive naivete and simple ignorance surrounding what this community functionally is and how it works.
The biggest threat to Lemmy isn’t a security vulnerability or a procedural defect, but the simple value it accrues through its own success.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
I’ll find you, UnderpantsWeevil. Under every rock, under every pant I’ll look, till I find you precious weevil.
💘
As I understand it, the fediverse as a whole is composed of instances, each one communicating with whichever other instances it wishes (the instances acting as social medias of sorts). Each instance is created by people making their own thing, so if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world. Is this not the case?
if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world.
Websites get traded on the backend regularly without hemorrhaging their userbases. A large site is going to have a degree of inertia. People aren’t going to all simultaneously pick up out of .world and go to .world2 because someone on le.mee or .shi.tjustworks talks shit about the mods. There’s too much of a trust deficit, just for starters. And it would be a two-way street if it wasn’t (people in .world claiming le.mee was the one that got taken over and you should decamp from them to our instance).
Past that, you can always make a new website even before federation. The trick is then getting a working community to include you in their network of links and shares. Federation makes that process more explicit and more pronounced. But most local instances have learned not to federate with everyone in the fediverse (because there’s so much gnarly shit out there), which means doing promotion and negotiation to get your new instance recognized by the survivors.
In a single case of a single instance getting taken over, migration is possible if a bit painful. But if it happens repeatedly, thanks to a professional business team going after instances strategically while individual largely-ignorant users have to respond organically, then the Fediverse doesn’t have a chance over the long term. Eventually, the business interest gets control of enough high profile domains and pollutes the means of interpersonal communication to such a high degree that you either trust your instance or you abandon the Fediverse entirely.
It becomes a game of “Who Is The Werewolf?”, which strategically favors the werewolves.
Did you follow the 196 controversy at all? An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough. Add in the loss in traffic from being defederated by everyone, and it would be a big loss for whoever bought the instance.
An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
That wasn’t a one-and-done. The community had been bleeding for years, thanks to the increasingly reactionary vibe on the site. Mods built a life-raft (not unlike CTH or The_Donald after the purges in 2020) and decamped eventually. But it wasn’t spur of the moment, and it certainly wasn’t with the original user base intact.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough.
I see entire instances shut down overnight. But, again, this tends to be after the admins have purged the mod crews and the community at-large has either splintered or evacuated. Users tend to be sticky within their communities, even after a great deal of disruption.
They want to establish the narrative of Luigi-the-terrorist, but human beings know who is the reasonable one.
human beings know who is the reasonable one
I remember people saying that about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden twenty years ago. It didn’t take long for popular opinion to turn on them, though. Just call the whistleblowers allies of the opposition party or props of an evil foreign government. Americans hate that. And the American public soured on them rapidly, as a result.
