Raphaël Glucksmann, a center-left member of the European Parliament, has strongly criticized President Donald Trump's radical change of US policy on the war in Ukraine.
  • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
    3·
    55 minutes ago

    I think we should if they pay us for the shipping charges in French-made guillotines. We need a lot of those in the US right now.

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    6 hours ago

    To whom? Macron, who refuses to respect the will of the voters, and continues to elevate the far right in France?

    • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
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      3 hours ago

      Thank you; people keep getting excited whenever France makes moves towards forms of leadership these days but I can’t help but suspect that Macron doesn’t want to eradicate the global hegemony America had held through recent history but put France in its place.

      Demanding back a gift given in celebration of America’s abolition of slavery solely on the basis that France was the one to gift it (i.e. ownership) is too on-the-nose, even if you tried.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 hours ago

        You don’t need to suspect. He’s confirmed it plenty of times. He will shut the country down before allowing the left to seize power.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 hours ago

      Yeah. Macron is extremely bad with domestic politics which is why the French far-right keeps gaining ground. I tell the so-called blue MAGA that if Americans could articulate their thoughts away from the cringey false dichotomy of “blue, liberal Democrats” versus “red, conservative Republicans”, the Democratic party is at best a neoliberal centre-right party who still value private property and free market, however socially progressive they are. Hence, as Macron and the Democratic party demonstrated, liberals will always side with fascists when it comes to it, instead of actually curb stomping the far-right for good.

      But since we are talking about how awful Macron’s domestic policies are, the opposite side is Macron being inversely good in foreign policies. He had been proven correct searching for strategic autonomy, and able to stand up to the bullying tactics of both Trump and Putin. Someone in Reddit mentioned Macron is probably easily bored with local politics. I have to agree and I am exactly the same. I prefer international news and politics over local; because the latter is like keeping up with school gossip with too many white noise. And the details of the story change every damn time. Meanwhile, international politics typically settles over a bit quickly and you get the fuller picture as a result. Besides, I think if you follow international news and politics more, you see the entire forest than just a tree and thus you could easily see solutions to local problems by applying what other nations are doing right.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 hours ago

        Occam’s Razor: It’s not that Macron is a domestic right winger who happens to be correct on international politics. It’s that your beliefs are left domestically, but you’re supporting right-wing foreign policy.

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 hours ago

          Macron is centrist at best, who is socially progressive but economically right, in which the latter is only feeding the right.

          He had been advocating for EU army since Trump’s first term. I was indifferent or at best opposed to it because, like most people, nobody thought Trump is crazy enough to threaten to pull out of NATO, and there was no war in Ukraine. Then now with Trump 2.0, him pulling out from more international obligations, and the invasion of Ukraine happening at the same time, I can see why re-arming is a better course. I am still not a fan of an EU army, but I am sympathetic to the sentiment.

          Also, it is not “right wing” to allow rearmament. There are right wingers who are isolationists, especially those with ties of varying degrees to Kremlin and don’t see Putin as a problem. Sure, there are even left wing isolationists.

            • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 hour ago

              I don’t support NATO either. But is as if there are no left leaning supporter for international military alliance lol. I don’t know what your smoking, but no thanks.

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                8 minutes ago

                So you don’t think you’re rightwing, but you think there should be a massive international military alliance 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • nlgranger@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    6 hours ago

    That’s rich coming from a party which saved the (partially) far right government from dissolution.

  • humanspiral@lemmy.caEnglish
    333·
    10 hours ago

    “Welcoming huddled masses” is no longer US policy. Statue of Liberty is “woke propaganda”, and US should now welcome getting rid of it. No horribly inappropriate/misplaced Ukraine warmongering justification needed.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        8 hours ago

        Not just yet… we’re waiting for checks notes the government to individually wrong every last one of us directly while not hurting our enemies in any way

        I mean not me, My pitchfork is fresh, but I’m not going out until there’s a crowd :) Murderbots will be hunting me down in the street.

        My real worry is that instead of calling on the military to quell violence, they’ll call the military industrial complex who will send in the murder drones.

        • Hadriscus@lemm.eeEnglish
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          6 hours ago

          My real worry is that instead of calling on the military to quell violence, they’ll call the military industrial complex who will send in the murder drones.

          Some programming wizard needs to secretly program empathy into these

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
            21·
            2 hours ago

            secretly program

            I fear Asimov’s three rules are not going to make it into the GOP Murderbots.

  • ivanafterall ☑️@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1001·
    20 hours ago

    I could legitimately see this happening, by now. Fox News builds it up for a week, then Trump/Musk make a big spectacle of sending it back and replacing it with a giant statue of Trump.

    • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
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      48 minutes ago

      My family came to the US via Ellis Island as poor Jewish immigrants escaping pogroms of Eastern Europe.

      Yes, the US once was a land of opportunity that did help the lives of many poor & oppressed families.

      They slammed the door shut shortly before ww2. So the statue had meaning for like 30-40 good years.

    • ricecake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      20 hours ago

      Depends on what you think it represents.

      It’s traditionally a symbol of opportunity, or new start style liberty.

      America has, for a long time, been a place of hope or opportunity for immigrants. Not necessarily welcome, kindness, or prosperity, but hope.

      With the visibly growing xenophobia this has tragically waned, but even still we have some of the highest immigration rates in the world.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
        265·
        18 hours ago

        The poem at the base of the statue, The New Colossus, makes its meaning pretty clear.

        Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
        With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
        Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
        A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
        Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
        Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
        Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
        The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
        “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
        With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
        Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
        The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
        Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
        I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

        The US never lived up to the promise the statue made.

        • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
          91·
          10 hours ago

          Meh, she wasn’t actually made for us. The artist that made her was commissioned by the Sultan of The Ottoman Empire, and he paid up front, so the artist got to work in the mid 1800s. The Sultan wanted her standing at the entrance to the Suez Canal, which was due to open soon. That’s why she’s Egyptian/ Middle Eastern. It also explains her crown. She’s a light bearer. She was supposed to signify the knowledge and wealth that flowed from the Ottoman Empire to Europe and Asia. She originally carried a torch and a bouquet of spices and herbs.

          Unfortunately for the Sultan, he died before the artist, or the canal, was completed. When the artist contacted the new Sultan to let him know he was ready to construct her, the new Sultan told him to go ahead and melt her down for all he cared. He graciously said that the artist didn’t owe him any money back, and that he was certain that the artist did good work, but he believed that statues were graven images, and therefore they no longer wanted the statue.

          Fast forward to 1871.

          The artist has a meeting with The French Ambassador to America, The President of the French-American Friendship Society, and himself. Turns out the US centennial is coming up. The ambassador suggested that the artist remove the bouquet, and replace it with a book that contains the most American sounding thing ever, and they’ll never notice she isn’t European. So the ambassador and president gathered up the funding, and sent the newly dubbed “Lady Liberty,” from the Parisian warehouse she had been gathering dust in, to New York in time to be fully erected by July 4, 1876.

          • XeroxCool@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            7 hours ago

            That date is completely wrong and the rest of this comment is full of inconsistency anyway. The root of this claim is only traceable to a fraudulent historian known for pro-islamic hate, propaganda, and fictitious historical Turkish/Ottoman revisionism, named Mustafa Armagan. Yes, the sculptor wanted to make a statue for the Suez Canal, but the directors involved declined. There is no evidence the Ottomans paid for it, that the statue was crafted before the plan to give it to the US, that the Ottomans had enough say in the Canal’s decoration when the project was conceived and constructed during a more autonomous Egyptian rule with heavy French influence, or that anything was modified in physical form from an Egyptian figure. The only thing thing confirmed to exist in 1876 was the torch arm which didn’t even arrive until late 1876. The statue was not fully erected until 1886. The design was reconfigured, not some “statue sitting in a Parisian warehouse” because the designer wanted to make it, not the Ottomans.

            It’s really not surprising that a generic semi-European woman would have some traits maybe closer to Mediterranean than French because it was an homage to the Colossus of Rhodes.

              • garbagebagel@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                2 hours ago

                Okay, thanks for letting me know!

                I had searched up the Egypt Carrying the Light to Asia which notes that the statue was based off a design that was meant to be at the Suez canal and the concept was reused as the statue of Liberty after being declined, which I still find pretty interesting. I guess the original commenter added a bunch of the other stuff based on the misinformation that the other commenter pointed out.