That’s never going to happen. Various bands are not getting back land that now host large cities and infrastructure. You can rail against that injustice until your death, which will accomplish nothing, or you can try to find a way forward.
And I say this as someone who believes that Canadian demographics are against you. The white guilt of colonization is quickly diluting into the pool of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who feel no guilt and have no connection to this questionable past. At that point nobody will care and your culture will be erased like so many others in the past.
I’m very curious about what you would like to see happen.
Do you want to deport all black people to Africa and all white people to Europe, or are you presuming that Indigenous would freely decide to host all of you on their land indefinitely?
I would like to see settler-colonial governments abolished, settler wealth redistributed, and for settlers to betray whiteness/colonialism and join indigenous resistance to ultimately live side-by-side with indigenous people as equals.
Black people are not settlers. It’s not like their ancestors came here to invade and colonize the land and it’s not like they have generational wealth from settler-colonialism.
Thanks for answering but this isn’t very clear.I understand you don’t want co-governance, you want Indigenous Sovereignty - but you also want to get to put limits on that sovereignty.
to ultimately live side-by-side with indigenous people as equals.
You seem to want to make Indigenous people give whites and other groups use of the land, water, and other resources.
But under that plan, Indigenous people would also have to be responsible for hosting them and all the labour of governance. They wouldn’t get to evict them.
I wonder what your reaction is to any Indigenous people who would be against limitations to their sovereignty.
My views are shaped heavily by Fanon and the indigenous Algerian struggle against French colonialism.
During the fight for independence from France there were whites that betrayed France to aid the Algerian struggle: hiding Algerian resistance fighters or smuggling guns through check points or staying silent during questioning etc. etc. When white French descendants betrayed France to aid the indigenous resistance, they became Algerian.
When the US and Canada are abolished, it will require whites and other groups to betray whiteness and aid the indigenous struggle. When they do, there won’t be a need to “make” indigenous people give whites and other groups use of the land, because many whites and and other groups will earn their place on the land by aiding the struggle. I’m sure there are individuals who truly do want to kill or expel all white people, but they don’t really represent a significant bloc and aren’t worth discussing seriously.
(It must be said, after Algerian independence the white French descendants mostly fled back to France because most of them didn’t want to betray France to aid Algerian patriots. The same will likely happen in the US and Canada, the whites that refuse to aid in the struggle will flee to whatever European countries will take them because they will not want to live here anymore.)
Assuming that whites are entitled to “become” Indigenous through being an ally is incredibly problematic though.
I mean this gently but I think you need to learn about colonization a lot more broadly. Fanon is a product of his time. I’d encourage you to look at South Africa, India, Zimbabwe, and also pay some attention to contemporary Indigenous activism in settler majority countries where there is often an appetite for separate sovereignty.
Well I didn’t say whites are entitled to become indigenous, I said they earn their place by joining the anticolonial struggle and materially betraying whiteness. It’s not enough to just performatively be an ally, they need to actually sacrifice and put themselves at risk through active resistance and assistance.
They also never really earn their place until the struggle is done. Every white person has to continually betray whiteness, because of the material reality that they’re more likely than anyone else in the struggle to be informants or undercover cops. I certainly recognize it’s not as simple as being an “ally” and requires real material sacrifice.
In settler-majority countries specifically the dividing of whites against non-whites is an active project that continues to this day, it has to be maintained by constant moneyed and state intervention to elevate whites that are loyal to whiteness and suppress whites that betray it, and in the United States specifically they historically kill and imprison Black and Indigenous leaders that try to make multiracial coalitions.
But those are just my thoughts. I’m hardly an expert in the anticolonial struggle, though I’m not only influenced by Fanon. I’m also influenced by Huey P. Newton and Walter Rodney.
A few government handouts don’t make up for the centuries of superexploitation.
Land back or nothing.
Two questions:
Are you in Canada?
Are you/your people indigenous to land now within Canadian borders?
That’s never going to happen. Various bands are not getting back land that now host large cities and infrastructure. You can rail against that injustice until your death, which will accomplish nothing, or you can try to find a way forward.
And I say this as someone who believes that Canadian demographics are against you. The white guilt of colonization is quickly diluting into the pool of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who feel no guilt and have no connection to this questionable past. At that point nobody will care and your culture will be erased like so many others in the past.
I’m very curious about what you would like to see happen.
Do you want to deport all black people to Africa and all white people to Europe, or are you presuming that Indigenous would freely decide to host all of you on their land indefinitely?
I would like to see settler-colonial governments abolished, settler wealth redistributed, and for settlers to betray whiteness/colonialism and join indigenous resistance to ultimately live side-by-side with indigenous people as equals.
Black people are not settlers. It’s not like their ancestors came here to invade and colonize the land and it’s not like they have generational wealth from settler-colonialism.
Thanks for answering but this isn’t very clear.I understand you don’t want co-governance, you want Indigenous Sovereignty - but you also want to get to put limits on that sovereignty.
You seem to want to make Indigenous people give whites and other groups use of the land, water, and other resources.
But under that plan, Indigenous people would also have to be responsible for hosting them and all the labour of governance. They wouldn’t get to evict them.
I wonder what your reaction is to any Indigenous people who would be against limitations to their sovereignty.
My views are shaped heavily by Fanon and the indigenous Algerian struggle against French colonialism.
During the fight for independence from France there were whites that betrayed France to aid the Algerian struggle: hiding Algerian resistance fighters or smuggling guns through check points or staying silent during questioning etc. etc. When white French descendants betrayed France to aid the indigenous resistance, they became Algerian.
When the US and Canada are abolished, it will require whites and other groups to betray whiteness and aid the indigenous struggle. When they do, there won’t be a need to “make” indigenous people give whites and other groups use of the land, because many whites and and other groups will earn their place on the land by aiding the struggle. I’m sure there are individuals who truly do want to kill or expel all white people, but they don’t really represent a significant bloc and aren’t worth discussing seriously.
(It must be said, after Algerian independence the white French descendants mostly fled back to France because most of them didn’t want to betray France to aid Algerian patriots. The same will likely happen in the US and Canada, the whites that refuse to aid in the struggle will flee to whatever European countries will take them because they will not want to live here anymore.)
Assuming that whites are entitled to “become” Indigenous through being an ally is incredibly problematic though.
I mean this gently but I think you need to learn about colonization a lot more broadly. Fanon is a product of his time. I’d encourage you to look at South Africa, India, Zimbabwe, and also pay some attention to contemporary Indigenous activism in settler majority countries where there is often an appetite for separate sovereignty.
Well I didn’t say whites are entitled to become indigenous, I said they earn their place by joining the anticolonial struggle and materially betraying whiteness. It’s not enough to just performatively be an ally, they need to actually sacrifice and put themselves at risk through active resistance and assistance.
They also never really earn their place until the struggle is done. Every white person has to continually betray whiteness, because of the material reality that they’re more likely than anyone else in the struggle to be informants or undercover cops. I certainly recognize it’s not as simple as being an “ally” and requires real material sacrifice.
In settler-majority countries specifically the dividing of whites against non-whites is an active project that continues to this day, it has to be maintained by constant moneyed and state intervention to elevate whites that are loyal to whiteness and suppress whites that betray it, and in the United States specifically they historically kill and imprison Black and Indigenous leaders that try to make multiracial coalitions.
But those are just my thoughts. I’m hardly an expert in the anticolonial struggle, though I’m not only influenced by Fanon. I’m also influenced by Huey P. Newton and Walter Rodney.
So. Got any books you recommend?