Summary
Donald Trump threatened to send American citizens convicted of vandalizing Tesla vehicles to El Salvador’s infamous Terrorism Confinement Center, labeling the vandals as “sick terrorist thugs” deserving 20-year sentences.
This statement followed a major vandalism incident in Ontario, Canada, where around 80 Tesla cars were damaged.
Trump’s comments coincide with controversy over his use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants, halted by a court order.
The White House defended the deportation despite legal challenges, denying any violation of the court’s injunction.
I’m organizing with peaceful balkanization efforts. What about you?
Also, this IS the truth. Trump is already doing things that he can’t do, and the courts aren’t doing a great job of stopping him. There are no consequences, just finger wagging. As such, he has no reason whatever to obey or fear the courts. We’ve utterly abandoned holding powerful people accountable, to the detriment of us all.
I’ve been linked articles taken out of context and a ton of bad faith arguments here. I can tell this place isn’t for me.
Unfortunately all I can do in my area is protest and march. I don’t see how balkanization is going to help. Fracturing communities and turning them agro hasn’t seemed to help anyone.
I’m not talking about fracturing communities as much as breaking the federal government’s capacity for harm by separating it from revenue streams (blue states) and creating standalone states that are more responsive to the needs of their people.
Ah, so you’d throw away our union. That’ll work out great. It really is a bunch of tankies in this server. I was wrong when I said this place was like r/politics, it’s much worse.
Our union is already fried. I’m honestly just trying to be pragmatic. The US has something like 14 distinct subregions, and we’d probably be much better off like the EU; a bunch of legally sovereign partner states under a trade federation.
Honestly, tell me, what path do you see for getting the federal government back to even 1990s level of functionality? Because I really don’t see one that isn’t made of pure cope and delusion. I’m not trying to put you down, I honest to goodness don’t see a way back from this. We’ve missed so many legitimate chances to save the union over the last thirty years, even in the last four years. These opportunities have reliably been passed up by cowards, fools, gluttons for money and/or power, and people too busy performing to political high roading to actually do the needful and difficult work called for by these times, and I think our last chance might have sailed. This is it, we’ve hit the end of the road, there’s no clever tweet, great speaker, or national Messiah to lead us back from the brink; we’re either going to tip into naked fascism and all that goes with it, or we walk away. What comes next will not be resolved by anything that will make a feel-good moving in twenty or thirty years. Imo, balkanization is the most practical and least violent of all outcomes for everybody.
Yet you still show up to your job everyday as if nothing is happening at all. I agree with most of what you’re saying. That’s why I’ve stock piled a ton of ammo and supplies to live off grid. I’m actually excited for the fascist takeover. Then it’s free range on these traitors. Luckily I live in BFE and own property in the boonies. I don’t agree that balkanization is the answer though. If we can’t stay a union we’re all fucked, just like the Balkans 😂.
Why are we all fucked if we can’t stay a union? I don’t see how this is less practical than going off grid and sniping people.
Because that won’t work. You’ll just leave the rich to take over each piece of the pie and we’ll be even more at the whims of the rich than right now plus killing each other. Either we stay in a union or we devolve into killing each other. Regardless of which outcome I’m not taking any chances.