Or you can make fun of fat people and don’t care. It’s the one thing you can change about your appearance and not doing so is a sign of irresponsible neglect of your own body that shouldn’t be encouraged.
It’s like making fun of a weird fashion choice or a silly haircut. It’s not like making fun of someones hight or dick size or whatever.
I’m saying that as someone who was overweight most of his adult life.
Your oversimplifying. I agree I don’t think being overweight should be necessarily seen as a good thing, but that’s still someone’s personal business. They may be trying to loose weight. They may have a medical condition or an addiction to food. They may just not have access to good, healthy food, or are uneducated about how to eat healthy in the first place. Making fun of them is useless at best and hurtful at worst, because chances are, they know they’re overweight. They don’t need you to point that out to them.
Even if someone chooses to be overweight, making fun of them for it can still hurt others. By all means, say that it’s unhealthy and that it shouldn’t be normalized but don’t take it out on individuals, especially if you don’t know their situation.
Nah I think people should be more comfortable with a little mocking. Just because people won’t speak it out loud doesn’t mean you’re not discriminated against and I’m worried censoring the expression of natural thoughts on that topic will cause discrimination to fester in a more subtle way.
The only people I won’t make fun of are those I genuinely feel pity for and except of very very very few exceptions fat people are in a position to change their fate and patronizing them isn’t doing them any favors.
You’re saying we should be blatantly discriminatory to prevent subtle discrimination? How does that make any sense? It’s like saying people with racist thought should just say them instead of shutting up. Or an better example: should we make fun of visibly disabled people? I’m sure plenty of people have “natural thoughts” when they see someone like that, but you shouldn’t say anything because that’d be a horrible thing to do.
Again, most overweight people know they’re overweight. They are already affected by it in their daily lives. They don’t need you to be a dick about it.
It circles back to that fat people have the autonomy to change their shortcomings.
But the thought about blind people getting bullied into gaining vision your argumentation put in my head is pretty entertaining.
So we should bully everyone about anything they have autonomy over? I should bully people for not filtering their water because it’s unhealthy? I should bully people for having a car because it’s bad for the environment?
I mean it’s not discrimination but it’s definitely just a dick thing to do. You mentioned haircuts earlier - if someone gets a haircut they like you shouldn’t make fun of them for it. They chose to get the haircut. They know how it looks. They know what people think of that style of haircut. Chosing to laugh at them for that isn’t doing anything and is just rude.
If you disagree with that I don’t think I have anything else to say. We just have completely different views.
Well it’s you who basically comes back to repeat the same talking points over and over. And I was saying it’s ok to make fun of fat people that you kinda escalated into bullying. You’re strawmanning and all your arguments are just whataboutism. I should’ve shot that down earlier but you seem very polite.
Blame the airlines for making the seats smaller. I’m not even 200 pounds and I can’t sit comfortably in those things anymore. Movie theaters don’t usually have that issue unless it’s packed.
Exactly. If she was just about not hating fat people, I’d be on board. But she seems to be all about normalizing being fat, and that is not okay at all.
Fat isn’t a good look. For anyone. Chubby chasers are fucked in the head. I’m all for weird preferences, but there are limits. And a preference for people that are completely unhealthy is past the limit for sure.
I have a family member who is constantly posting on social media about their weight and appearance, and has been doing so for easily a good 10+ years at this point. I am sympathetic to their struggle, and I feel bad that it affects their self esteem and whatnot, but on the other hand, if they had been putting in enough effort to lose even just 1 pound per month over the decade+ this has been happening, then they would have been able to stop posting about it by now. They are one of the most active social media users I know, so I know that they have plenty of time that they could divert towards being more active, they just simply choose not to. I can only feel so bad about that after so long.
I lost like 45lbs in three months. Losing weight isn’t even difficult if you set your mind to it. Count how many calories you burn and then count the calories you eat. Eat less than you burn. Simple as that.
Yup, calorie counting is where it’s at. I lost something like… 60? Pounds in the year leading up to my wedding by just counting calories, as I was too busy between working full time and going to college full time to go to the gym consistently enough to rely on that. People underestimate caloric intake and overestimate the impact of physical activity in my experience. Not to say that physical activity is not important, more so that you can overeat calories much more quickly than you can burn them off.
It’s more like making fun of your ignorance than your haircut. Like, hypothetically, you could fix your ignorance. But in practice, you can’t. It’s beyond you to even understand yourself.
Or you can make fun of fat people and don’t care. It’s the one thing you can change about your appearance and not doing so is a sign of irresponsible neglect of your own body that shouldn’t be encouraged.
It’s like making fun of a weird fashion choice or a silly haircut. It’s not like making fun of someones hight or dick size or whatever.
I’m saying that as someone who was overweight most of his adult life.
Your oversimplifying. I agree I don’t think being overweight should be necessarily seen as a good thing, but that’s still someone’s personal business. They may be trying to loose weight. They may have a medical condition or an addiction to food. They may just not have access to good, healthy food, or are uneducated about how to eat healthy in the first place. Making fun of them is useless at best and hurtful at worst, because chances are, they know they’re overweight. They don’t need you to point that out to them.
Even if someone chooses to be overweight, making fun of them for it can still hurt others. By all means, say that it’s unhealthy and that it shouldn’t be normalized but don’t take it out on individuals, especially if you don’t know their situation.
Nah I think people should be more comfortable with a little mocking. Just because people won’t speak it out loud doesn’t mean you’re not discriminated against and I’m worried censoring the expression of natural thoughts on that topic will cause discrimination to fester in a more subtle way.
The only people I won’t make fun of are those I genuinely feel pity for and except of very very very few exceptions fat people are in a position to change their fate and patronizing them isn’t doing them any favors.
You’re saying we should be blatantly discriminatory to prevent subtle discrimination? How does that make any sense? It’s like saying people with racist thought should just say them instead of shutting up. Or an better example: should we make fun of visibly disabled people? I’m sure plenty of people have “natural thoughts” when they see someone like that, but you shouldn’t say anything because that’d be a horrible thing to do.
Again, most overweight people know they’re overweight. They are already affected by it in their daily lives. They don’t need you to be a dick about it.
It circles back to that fat people have the autonomy to change their shortcomings.
But the thought about blind people getting bullied into gaining vision your argumentation put in my head is pretty entertaining.
So we should bully everyone about anything they have autonomy over? I should bully people for not filtering their water because it’s unhealthy? I should bully people for having a car because it’s bad for the environment?
I mean it’s not discrimination but it’s definitely just a dick thing to do. You mentioned haircuts earlier - if someone gets a haircut they like you shouldn’t make fun of them for it. They chose to get the haircut. They know how it looks. They know what people think of that style of haircut. Chosing to laugh at them for that isn’t doing anything and is just rude.
If you disagree with that I don’t think I have anything else to say. We just have completely different views.
Well it’s you who basically comes back to repeat the same talking points over and over. And I was saying it’s ok to make fun of fat people that you kinda escalated into bullying. You’re strawmanning and all your arguments are just whataboutism. I should’ve shot that down earlier but you seem very polite.
One major caveat: if they’re spilling over into the seat next to me in a theater or on an airplane, it suddenly becomes my business as well.
Blame the airlines for making the seats smaller. I’m not even 200 pounds and I can’t sit comfortably in those things anymore. Movie theaters don’t usually have that issue unless it’s packed.
Exactly. If she was just about not hating fat people, I’d be on board. But she seems to be all about normalizing being fat, and that is not okay at all.
Fat isn’t a good look. For anyone. Chubby chasers are fucked in the head. I’m all for weird preferences, but there are limits. And a preference for people that are completely unhealthy is past the limit for sure.
I’m not feeling the second part of your comment. If you care about who fucks who in a consensual manner without getting off from it you’re weird.
Ehh, I can see where they’re coming from. Choosing to be fat for the sake of it is self-harm.
And they’re entitled to do this if they want to. But they can’t expect me to not make fun of them for that.
In some places in the world, people are not entitled to do this.
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I have a family member who is constantly posting on social media about their weight and appearance, and has been doing so for easily a good 10+ years at this point. I am sympathetic to their struggle, and I feel bad that it affects their self esteem and whatnot, but on the other hand, if they had been putting in enough effort to lose even just 1 pound per month over the decade+ this has been happening, then they would have been able to stop posting about it by now. They are one of the most active social media users I know, so I know that they have plenty of time that they could divert towards being more active, they just simply choose not to. I can only feel so bad about that after so long.
I lost like 45lbs in three months. Losing weight isn’t even difficult if you set your mind to it. Count how many calories you burn and then count the calories you eat. Eat less than you burn. Simple as that.
Yup, calorie counting is where it’s at. I lost something like… 60? Pounds in the year leading up to my wedding by just counting calories, as I was too busy between working full time and going to college full time to go to the gym consistently enough to rely on that. People underestimate caloric intake and overestimate the impact of physical activity in my experience. Not to say that physical activity is not important, more so that you can overeat calories much more quickly than you can burn them off.
It’s more like making fun of your ignorance than your haircut. Like, hypothetically, you could fix your ignorance. But in practice, you can’t. It’s beyond you to even understand yourself.