That’s true, but there’s also more than a few people around here who will insist they aren’t liberals and then when you find out their actual politics they’re just New Deal style liberalism

Ok. Have fun playing dumb, but I’m not going to keep responding to it

Least incoherent anti-communist

Critism of capitalism and defense of communism is authoritarian to liberals though. After all, to them private property ownership is a human right and not allowing it is an authoritarian impingement on their freedom.

Stop trying to manipulate people

I’m having trouble finding much evidence for much of that. Got any sources for Chinese prison labour being used, for a start?

Prior to the twentieth century, are you willing to stand by the human rights record of all (but one or two) liberal countries? Are you even willing to do that today?

Sure thing, person who’s spent the last week getting deeply, personally outraged at people besmirching Kirks honour

Lol, yeah, you’re definitely a Kirk disciple.

What the fuck are you talking about? You understand that different people are different people right? Don’t fucking try to vicariously reiterate arguments you’re having with other people with me, asshole.

What do you think?

What a fucking baby

Are ok, so you’re just ignoring what people actually believe and assigning made up positions to them that make it easier for you to hate them.

I’ve never seen a single one who does

am sure they never would have just evaporated or refused to answer the factual questions I was asking, I am sure we could have come to an understanding since everyone involved in this conversation is super open to factual conversation

So once again you’re just damning people by making up unfalsifiable counterfactuals.

People are going to criticise Sanders when he says and does things that deserve criticism. Once again, you have a complete inability to understand being motivated by actual principles rather than cynical realpolitik

Uh-huh. You definitely sound really mad.

The very concept of human rights is a product of liberalism as a political philosophy.

No

You seem to support values championed by liberal philosophers, while also thinking that liberalism is basically satan. Pick a side.

What an absolutely asinine and reductive interpretation of what I said.

I’m anti capitalist

Then you are not a liberal, by definition

I’m nonetheless at least as influenced by liberal thought as I am by socialist thought.

Yes, obviously; socialist thought is directly descended from liberal thought, it is impossible to be a socialist without being influenced by liberal thought.

If you can’t square that that’s worrying, but I’ve spent enough time here.

What a bad faith little worm comment.

Notice how all you have is completely unfalsifiable counterfactuals and a complete inability to understand being motivated by actual principles rather than cynical realpolitik

Yeah, sure. You couldn’t stand him, you just get really, really mad when people point out that he never had any interest in good faith debate.

Maybe, but I consider them good assumptions.

why are we arguing the semantics when we’re both in agreement that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and Israel’s genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible

Because the abuse of semantics and the reduction of terms like genocide to rhetorical snarl words to be recklessly thrown at any enemies has enabled Russia and Israel to do what they’re doing with so little push back.