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This implies that the democrats aren’t on the fascist side. That is clearly not true. The antifascist side has always been the left wing(communists and anarchists). If you support the “nice fascists” or the “mean fascists” you’re still a fascist.

I have been neutral at worst. Why should I go out of my way to grovel be extra nice to you who has done nothing but spout off arrogantly about things you clearly don’t understand. Also I have pointed out issues and even recommended some reading across my other comments. Grow up.

Ok so you haven’t. You should. Also it’s a bad habit to lie to act like you know more than you do.

Cowbee “have you studied marxism”

You “I have”

???

The PRC was founded and has been led by the CPC for over 70 years. Why hasn’t it become just as bad as the capitalists? Why does anti corruption still reach the highest rungs of power?

It’s almost like a socialist state led by a communist party is qualitatively different to a capitalist one under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

Ok. So capitalism observably doesn’t work. And you have decided a proletarian state is impossible. So what is your solution? Is organising futile? Do we just wait for a magic spark of simultaneous global revolution? Do we wait for the world to end? Is it all just futile and we kill ourselves now?

You are very invested in idealist “human nature” metaphysics for someone who allegedly studied Marxism.

There is so much wrong with such a short comment it’s genuinely quite impressive.

You should read:

Lenin’s What Is To Be Done?, The State and Revolution, Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder

Stalin’s Foundations of Leninism, The Role of the Communist Party in the Proletarian Revolution

Chairman Mao’s On Practice and On Contradiction, Serve the People, On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People, Combat Liberalism, Oppose Book Worship and 红宝书 (especially chapter 1).

You can also look at modern China and how nearly a billion people were lifted from abject poverty. How the party has over 80% support. How infrastructure and the people are invested in without the need to wring them for profit. The party is neither all powerful nor perfect it is simply the tool through which the people wield their power.

It’s the totenkopf. The other SS logo besides the “SS” lightning bolts. It’s a Nazis symbol much like the swastika.

Voting for a genocide backing fascist because they are more personable than the cruel mean fascist rather than doing anything constructive makes you a fascist. The real leftist option is not voting for fascists and then yes ideally overthrowing the capitalist system(sort of a core part of being a leftist).

Look, I get why people are reacting emotionally to this. But a lot of these comments are using this story as a launchpad for some pretty unserious conclusions.

“China does nothing.”

“China doesn’t care about anyone outside its borders.”

“I only support China because the alternative is the West.”

“They may as well exist on another planet.”

“China supports the Zionist entity.”

This is supposed to be a communist space. Where is the dialectical and historical materialism? Where is the analysis beyond “this feels bad”? Giving up the right to moral outrage divorced from material analysis is one of the many unfortunate parts necessary of becoming a communist.

“China does nothing” is straight-up CIA talking points/meme warfare. The CPC very obviously does things, if you spend even a few minutes looking through a material lens as opposed to a moral one. The DPRK exists as a modern AES state thanks to Chinese backing. Cuba has substantial solar infrastructure (even if still insufficient) because of China. Much of the Global South now has alternatives to IMF austerity and structural adjustment because China created parallel non-imperialist development channels.

China also clearly cares about people beyond her borders. What people actually seem upset about is that the CPC refuses to sacrifice China’s own stability, development, and security to satisfy Western-style moral posturing. That’s not a “lack of internationalism.” It’s important to separate internationalism from performative self-immolation. China does not yet have the strength to wage total war against the Western world and it’s dogs.

It also matters to be precise: trade is not the same thing as political alignment or military support. Mao explicitly addressed this. Trading with a country does not equal endorsing its actions or assisting its wars. The USSR traded with fascist states while materially supporting anti-fascist struggle. The distinction is whether you are actually aiding resistance, not whether commodity exchange exists and it is pretty clear China is backing the resistance even if they won’t start WWIII.

People also keep acting like severing trade with Israel is some low-cost gesture. It very clearly isn’t. Israel functions as a U.S. forward operating base and Euro-American tech hub. Any serious unilateral economic break would immediately trigger retaliation from Washington and it’s lackeys. Pretending otherwise is idealist nonsense. States operate in a world of force relations and kicking the kings favourite dog is a good way to have that force turned on you.

Does China’s foreign policy involve ugly realpolitik? Yes. Is it extremely frustrating at times? Also yes. But pretending China does nothing or is indifferent to global suffering requires ignoring material reality. China’s entire strategy is about surviving imperialist containment while slowly weakening Western monopoly over development pathways. That’s a long game. It’s not pretty, and it’s not emotionally satisfying, but it’s material.

If your “analysis” begins and ends with “this makes me uncomfortable,” or “this is morally wrong” divorced from material analysis, you are doing liberal moralism, not scientific socialism.

I usually find the consensus and conversation on here grounded and method-driven. This thread has been slightly disappointing.

Looks pretty accurate for those of us outside the imperial core.

I guess the saying holds.

If you can remember what happened over a week ago that makes you a tankie

Where have I ever been hyper nationalist or even nationalist at all? You just don’t want to contend with the fact that you’re pro imperialism and colonialism and an outright chauvinist as long as it has good pr.

Your comments here are soaked in US chauvinism.

Cuba is already sovereign. It does not need to be “invited” into the empire that has spent over 60 years trying to strangle it. Treating another nation as a potential US “state” or “test lab” is naked colonial thinking.

Also calling the islands places for “A/B testing” social policy is grotesque. You’re talking about real people, not sandbox populations. Cuba already guarantees universal healthcare, free education at all levels, housing rights, and food subsidies despite being under one of the longest economic sieges in modern history. The US can’t even provide those basics to its own working class.

The blockade isn’t some abstract policy disagreement. It blocks fuel, medicine, banking access, shipping insurance, medical equipment, and even disaster relief. It’s collective punishment imposed by the United States. Every year almost the entire world votes at the UN to end it. Washington ignores them.

To add to this Puerto Rico is not some inspiring example of US “opportunity.” Puerto Rico is a US colony with no voting representation in Congress, crushed by debt, austerity, and privatization imposed by Washington. If that’s your model, it’s an indictment of your beliefs.

And finally Cuba does not need Amerikkkans to teach it socialism. Cuba built a functioning public health system, biotech sector, disaster response model, and mass literacy campaign while under siege something the US ruling class hasn’t even properly accomplished for its own despite ruling most of the world with a bloodied iron fist.

If you actually cared about Cubans, you’d drop the annexation fantasies. Your grotesque idea of “testing grounds.” and ridiculous imperial “offers.”

Yeah I probably should have specified last natural famine. Even then kulaks worsened it beyond what it should have been through burning crops and slaughtering livestock.

The “holodomor” is Nazi Banderite propaganda. There was a famine in an area that was prone to famine for centuries prior. It was not targeted at Ukraine, it also affected Kazakhstan and western Russia. It was also the last time they had a famine.

You’re not “keeping it intact to prevent harm.” You’re keeping it intact because you benefit from it.

The US led system isn’t something you stabilize and then dismantle later. It only exists through massive violence. Every extra year you preserve it is more sanctions, more bombs, more dead people.

And “after Trump” is always the line. It was “after Reagan”, “after Bush,” then “after Trump,” then it will be “after the next Republican.” There is always a new emergency to justify doing nothing to even attempt to slow the immisiration machine.

Nobody else can fix your chauvinism for you. That takes introspection. You need to start considering the rest of us as fully human whose suffering is not secondary to your comfort.

The facts are: Both parties support the imperialist empire. Both fund genocide, sanctions, coups, and proxy wars. Both uphold capitalism and the systematically broken policing system. Both expand surveillance and repression. “Voting blue” has never stopped any of this, it just puts a nicer face on it, the equivalent of sticking a smiling face sticker on the orphan crushing machine.

If you actually want to do something: Stop treating Democrats as harm reduction. Consider third-party or abstention instead of laundering war crimes with your vote. Join a communist organization. Study theory. Do material work in your community. Organize. Build power locally. Arm yourself. Do literally anything other than vote for a war criminal every 2-4 years.

If you want to vote, vote just stop trying to justify yourself as super moral for voting for the personable war criminal over the more openly cruel one.

You’re being chauvinist. You may not want to admit it, but it’s the only way this position makes sense.

Your “lesser evil” logic only works if you implicitly treat people in the imperial periphery as expendable, as if our suffering matters less than your domestic anxieties. Your entire framework centers US comfort while mass death abroad becomes background noise.

Who backed the genocide in Gaza? Who destroyed Libya and turned it into a failed state with open slave markets? Who armed proxies that helped give rise to ISIS in Syria? Who backed decades of rape and mass killing in Afghanistan?

It was bipartisan. Every time. Enthusiastically bipartisan.

Permanent war, sanctions, coups, and the immiseration of the Global South are the foundation of the system. Democrats and Republicans agree on this completely.

So when you say “one leads to fascism and the other leads back to the status quo,” you leave out the key point: the status quo already depends on mass death elsewhere. Your stability is subsidized by bombs, blockades, and starvation.

Yes, Republicans are more “meaner” at home. Democrats use nicer language. That’s PR. Democrats provide legitimacy for the same imperial machine while managing the decline more “politely”.

From Palestine to Haiti, there is no meaningful lesser evil just continuous catastrophe.

Your argument boils down to: as long as things don’t get too bad too fast here, everything else is negotiable.

That’s peak chauvinism.