at least some of the concerns are about the young men being declared the “villains” and the other side declaring them to be the victims of injustice and they will gravitate toward the more workable messag

That’s because people are framing this as a false dichotomy. All the masculinity warriors all try to frame the world as men are warriors under attack, and if you don’t think so you’re a man hating feminist.

In reality the majority of young dudes are just spending too much time being manipulated online and are blaming hardships created by our form of economics on wokeness.

Sure a lot of guys are terrible, but the generalizations can make it feel like you can’t win.

Only if you are weak of mind. I’m a dude, when someone says all men are bad…which never really happens. I don’t really take them literally, and even if I someday do run into someone who means it literally. Who cares, people are allowed to have opinions.

generalizations can make it feel like you can’t win.

Says the person who based their rebuttal by believing in a fabricated false dichotomy.

when we say that Lemmy has a misogyny problem.

Yeah, it’s really disheartening that young men have decided to blame women for all their woes. I’m in my late thirties and it really seems like a reversal to me, instead of blaming late stage capitalism for disenfranchising their demographic they are somehow are blaming women.

Even if we hypothetically accept that “there is an attack on masculinity” who’s doing it? The vast majority of politicians are men, the vast majority of CEO are men, the vast majority of judges, lawyers, prosecutors… The list goes on and on. In nearly any hierarchical system of power in the world, men are in charge. So from whom is our masculinity really being attacked?

Gonna catch the down votes for this, but imo because our economic system has already exploited all other demographics, young white men are being systemically disenfranchised for the first time and are not dealing with it very well. Welcome to the club fellas, POC and especially women have been here the whole time!

There is no way anyone is pulling 350°F+ items out of an oven with their bare hands.

I used to be able to do that when I was working in a kitchen. If you burn your hands often enough you kinda build up a tolerance/calluses. We used to call it having asbestos hands.

I mean it really does look that way…is there something about being a fascist that just fucks up your posture? All these guys and the tiki torch bros always end up having the same posture as those three little aliens from MIB.

I wonder if it’s that the only thing that can lure them from constantly shit posting on 4chan is the opportunity to engage in state sanctioned hate crimes?

Lol, I’ve never seen these guys before. I can imagine they might get a little too pressurized if you’re not careful. I just use old kimchi jars and keep them in a bowl in case my kimchi gets a little too excited and burps up some juice.

Yayaya, eating fresh kimchi is hard to resist but can be a tad too salty. I usually leave it out overnight with the jar placed in a clean bowl and the lid slightly open to let out any gas. You might get a little spillage from the juices, but you can just pour it back in from the clean bowl. Basically just gives the kimchi a little kick start for the fermentation, but I like my kimchi to have a little extra kick.

And what makes you think you know anything about people in the military?

Most people serving are young, undereducated, and in no position to challenge their higher command. You pretending that they are lawyers with guns is ridiculous, most of them are just kids who joined because they wanted an education or wanted to leave a dead end town.

Be careful with changing the salt ratio too much, it’s important to help stabilize it during fermentation. As the kimchi ferments it will become less salty tasting as the salt pulls liquid out of the radish.

I mean so are the shells tank fire. If you are hit hard enough to hit the fuel cell in a tank…you have other problems.

So your argument is that the government won’t follow the law, but soldiers will?

Is your reading comprehension okay? My point is that there is no real separation between the military and government. The military is led by the executive branch which ultimately hands out orders. The legality of those orders is not determined by the military, it’s determined by the judiciary branch. If the judiciary determines an order as legal, then the military has no choice but to execute the order.

Which means… The court system, which have been captured by the heritage foundation determines the legality of military borders.

You don’t know many people in the military.

Lol, my dad retired as a chief. I spent the first 16 years of my life growing up on military bases.

You’re missing the part where the non-loyal German soldiers would face harsh consequences, including execution, for failing to follow orders.

I already addressed that… American soldiers can also face harsh consequences for refusing “legal” orders. The legality of orders are determined by a military court which has a long history of being extremely biased toward protecting commanding officers.

Lol, my response was that you do not need abject loyalty in order to have the military use force against your own population. As I already stated Hitler never achieved abject loyalty over the military and regularly used the SS to oppress dissonance within Germany.

You then went on to claim that America is different because the Nuremberg trial made it to where soldiers could refuse illegal orders. I then responded with examples of why that wasn’t a valid argument.

Every one of my rebuttals have been direct responses to your claims, I even quoted what I was responding to…

Out of 4,100 National Guard members and 700 Marines dispatched to LA, there has been one detainment of a US citizen, and no arrests. Detainment is currently being debated as a possible violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-marines-carry-out-first-known-detention-civilian-los-angeles-video-shows-2025-06-13/

My entire point was that the rules that are supposed to protect the general population are often interpreted to serve those in power. Posse Comitatus is supposed to negate the use of military members from being used for policing on US soil.

Meaning that the definition of policing is being semantically interpreted as “arresting people” when in reality policing is defined as prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order.

What other purpose can the military be utilized against the general public other than to maintain public order?

There are also many instances of the National Guard laying down their riot shields, and even taking a knee to support citizens in peaceful protest. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/02/tennessee-national-guard-troops-lay-down-riot-shields-at-protesters-request/

First of all, the national guard are not active duty military personnel and can and are utilized in state policing actions. Secondly, laying down shields is not disobeying a direct order. Lastly we have historic examples of national guard members committing massacares against non violent protestors.

The US has not signed the Rome Statute, and is therefore not beholden to the laws of the ICC unless in a nation that has signed said agreement.

My point was that international law a kin to those laid down by the Nuremberg trials do not protect us from fascist utilizing the military against us.

Your claim was that we were granted protections via the establishment of the Nuremberg principals…the Nuremberg principals are now moderated by the ICC via the 1999 Rome statute.

You are just proving my point for me. Internal laws are subject to interpretation via those who currently hold power (fascist), and external laws are inventions of convenience that we do not and have never allowed to truly moderate our countries behavior. My original claim stands, that we are not really in a much different scenario than in Hitler’s Germany.

That’s not accurate. Germany had a strict top-down chain of military command, hence the Nuremberg trials defense of “just following orders.”

The Nuremberg trials, like most international laws were an invention of convenience. If someone attempted to apply them to US action in a foreign intervention today, they would not be successful. In fact the US has stated that they would sooner invade a system like the ICC than allow them to prosecute anyone in the military.

After the trials, the US military was redesigned with a break above the Commanding Officer. The CO must verify the legality and constitutionality of orders before giving orders to the troops, just as it’s the responsibility of the troops to refuse to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders.

This may be a fact in doctrine, but in practice the military has historically has failed to fulfill this particular commitment. There have been several examples of US troops committing illegal actions commanded by officers without legal retribution.

You can refuse to follow orders you think are illegal, but more often than not it’s a career ending action or punishable offense if not proven in court…and military court is not exactly a non biased apparatus of justice.

This system depends on young soldiers with minimal educations and rights to stand up to a system that has an immencse amount of control over their lives. A system that has proven to defend higher command and officers in most cases, and to defend its overall image over anything.

Even higher commands ability to stand up to the commander in chief is limited, we can see this in the news today with active duty military members being deployed state side to conduct what is fairly obvious policing actions in LA and on the US border in a direct violation of posse comitatus.

Yep, my faith in any established political party has been worn thin since the bush era. Right now I’m just working on teaching my LGBT friends how to maintain and shoot a rifle and how to properly stock a go bag.

Trump has also failed to obtain abject loyalty of the military, which will prevent him from control by force.

The problem is that also mimics hitler’s ascent to totalitarian control. Even at the height of his power lots of career soldiers and especially sailors were never really ideologically aligned with Hitler. Unfortunately, at the end of the day people in the military follow orders.

Yeap, it’s being diagnosed more every year, especially in young women. I think there are theories about hormone influencing chemicals in the environment, but it may just be a case of better diagnosis in the medical community.

My main point is just that hormone therapy in pediatrics is super common, and the vast majority of it has nothing to do with gender affirming care. Yet we don’t really see any parents or politicians harping concerns about these prescriptions even though they have the same mechanism of action and risk.

In that scenario it’s safest to split payment, 400 in Bitcoin and 400 in meth. You gotta diversify your portfolio.

Given the prevalence of forced mutilation of intersex babies as well as medically unnecessary circumcisions, I humbly disagree that these procedures are “weighted on total outcomes”.

As I said, it’s not a perfect system. However, a lot of the times the flawed treatments of their times were influenced by how physicians perceived cultural norms.

As cultural mores are adjusted and education within the medical community improves, treatment options are usually re-aligned to fit the science. For example circumcisions are becoming a thing of the past and intersex operations nare usually conducted after secondary sex organs develop.

Every doctor who has performed that procedure was fully aware that it was medically unnecessary and did not have reason to believe the baby would not come to regret not being given a choice years down the road. I’d argue these procedures are institutionalized medical malpractice.

Eh… Doctors are a slave to social mores as much as anyone is. They are unfortunately just as susceptible to belief as lawyers or politicians. There were beliefs that spouted about hygiene etc, but in reality those were just to validate belief systems held by the vast majority of the population. In the end they believed that the harm was not very significant to the pts overall health.

but I think it’s critical to acknowledge that the field of medicine still has very strong biases in these matters and is not nearly as Cartesian as it is sometimes made out to be.

I think it’s fairly obvious that the medical system has failed several minority groups, most recently trans people. I am proclaiming how medical providers should behave and how we were trained to treat all patients. Unfortunately, as you have stated, beliefs systems unjustly often interjects itself in medical care. Whether that be in prescribing birth control or administrating gender affirming care.

Precocious puberty is one of the many reasons kids are put on hormone therapy, its quite common nowadays.