Have you watched the Sagan Cosmos? I like it better than the NDT one, although I usually recommend NDT because it’s an easier sell. I love Sagan so much though. He’s just so gentle and kind, almost the same kind of vibe as Mr Rogers.

I dislike the way they present Giodano Bruno in the NDT Cosmos. The church was more miffed at his pantheism than any of his astronomical ideas. Less of a scientist and more of a philosopher.

One method of philosophical reasoning is to start with the extremes and then narrow down to the center/ more likely scenarios that are shades of the extreme…

My state is about to follow Kansas and revoke the “M” on my drivers license, which I’ve had for 10 years. This will put me in physical danger and harm my ability to find employment. No one needs you to play devils advocate here.

How do they prevent their bodies from producing sexual hormones they don’t want?

Spiro for trans women, not really a problem for trans men. There’s estrogen floating around in my body right now, but the testosterone overwhelms it.

Removal of the testes/ ovaries? Sometimes. Hysterectomy for trans men and orchi for trans women are common in adulthood.

Sexual reassignment surgery and top surgery are types of treatment. Another type is puberty blockers, which I asked about and you responded with talking points instead of information.

Surgery is irrelevant when talking about the treatment of 99.999% of transgender teens. Making the conversation about surgery is falling for right wing talking points.

The “end game” is presumably that one goes on HRT to experience the correct puberty. Most trans men just take testosterone, trans women often take an anti-androgen (spiro) with their estrogen.

As far as removing breast buds, I’m not sure if that would be needed or not. Regardless, removing breast buds would be possible with perioareolar top surgery, which is much less invasive than full double mastectomy (I wasn’t lucky enough to go on blockers, but I was small enough to get a peri - it was an outpatient procedure which took me like 3 days to sleep off. Double mastectomies are usually much more involved.)

But really (since this is a controversial thread) I just don’t want my child taking a knife to, and hindering the functionality of, any part of their body that was already working just fine.

But that isn’t happening. You have to recognize that there is a huge fucking propaganda campaign being held to convince you that children are walking to clinics and getting their dicks and breasts chopped off. Surgery doesn’t even make sense until all the parts are fully developed anyway.

Care is mostly affirming pronouns and names, sometimes puberty blockers.

This study on several cis girls suggests that there’s nothing unusual about puberty post blockers.

Girls treated in childhood with GnRHa have normal BMI, BMD, body composition, and ovarian function in early adulthood. FH is not increased in girls with ICPP in whom GnRHa was initiated at about 8 yr. There is no evidence that GnRHa treatment predisposes to polycystic ovary syndrome or menstrual irregularities.

I also want to say here that I have known two kids to be on blockers. Both had to drive several hours out of state to access their treatment. One of them almost was removed from their home by the state solely because they were trans and receiving blockers - a family friend who has received death threats and harassment and has had to go to court several times because she recognizes her son for who he is. The right wing propaganda sphere likes to pretend blockers are being handed out like candy, but that is not the case.

More like they are “anti hormones.”

They’ve been used to help cis kids who would otherwise be going through puberty at like 6 or something for decades. You stop any permanent changes from happening due to puberty. The child can choose to go off them if they change their mind and go through a “normal”’puberty, or stay on them and decide to get on HRT as an adult.

In the long run, this means less medical intervention. If you don’t grow breasts you won’t need top surgery; if you don’t experience a testosterone puberty you won’t have your vocal cords deepen and need voice training or surgery.

It is the “let’s wait until you’re an adult and can make a choice” option.

Do we think this CEO fucks his employees too?

What even qualifies someone to be a CEO? Is it the MBA or whatever? I’ve been doing writing coach work for business majors and it’s just amazing how easy the work is. Imagine your term paper being “write a professional email.”

Here’s an article on their settlement with the FTC.

Heres another that mentions the CSAM, as well as much of a fucking monopoly formerly MindGeek, now Aylo, is.

There’s also connections between that private equity firm and the Canadian mafia, IIRC, but can’t find the article I remember on that.

Most children do not get hormones or surgery. Usually, the most intervention that happens is puberty blockers.

Watching porn on Pornhub or any other large mainstream porn site (all owned by essentially a monopoly) is being complicit in child abuse and rape. They made money knowingly hosting CSAM and should not be allowed to be in business. Even the stuff that involves people who are of age is often trafficked Eastern European women.

There’s a story I heard from Judaism, where the rabbis were arguing about whether god was cool with something or not. One rabbi was against all of the other rabbis, and asked god to prove him right. God personally spoke up, and was like “yeah, he’s entirely correct” - but the rabbis end up telling off god. They point out that they only have the rules he sent down to work with, and having to call him for help every time they need a ruling wouldn’t be fair or reasonable.

“Used as a slur” - Anyone yelled “cis” at you from a moving car? Anyone told you that they don’t hire or rent to “cissies”?

Have you experienced any form of discrimination or harm do to being cis?

“Cis” means not trans. It is not derogatory, it is not “pushing back” against slurs, it exists so we have a word that means “not trans.”

It’s funny how it’s all just recycled talking points from 15 years ago, except about trans people instead of gay people.

“I didn’t ask anyone to call me straight! I’m normal.”

has anyone who wasn’t an anime pfp in a discord server actually used “cissy”

I doubt old Reddit is going to survive much longer. It’s already pretty broken in a lot of ways.

Amazing how much the difference between “ephebophilia” and “pedophilia” was debated in early 2010’s Reddit. You’d get mobbed with “free speech” warriors if you brought up how fucked up it was that there was a “jailbait” subreddit.

You understand that people on 4chan make stuff up when breaking news happens? It’s a time honored tradition to find a random picture of a trans woman every time a school shooting happens and say it is her. You’re doing the equivalent of going to Stormfront or Alex Jones for breaking news.

The guy who shot Charlie Kirk possibly had a trans girlfriend, and that’s all we heard about for weeks. The fact that the school shooter in Canada last week was trans is all half the media is talking about.

If the media is going to have a meltdown any time a trans person is adjacent to something bad, we can celebrate something like this.