In this setting, liberals face a conundrum. How far should they maintain traditional liberal ideals, and how far should they move towards non-liberal, and potentially illiberal, ideologies if these seem more promising for the purposes of social change?

  • Tuukka R@piefed.ee
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    3 days ago

    Oh boy, wait until you here about the record of liberal regimes when it comes to guaranteeing these rights…

    Are you referring to the regime of Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, or Netherlands?

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        2 days ago

        I think you’re making am assumption based on a one or two liberal countries and extrapolating that to a larger bunch of countries where your assumption doesn’t hold.

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          2 days ago

          Prior to the twentieth century, are you willing to stand by the human rights record of all (but one or two) liberal countries? Are you even willing to do that today?

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                2 days ago

                Haha, that looks funny in the eyes of anyone who understands the subject.

                But okay. I believe that regardless of how many questions I pose in order to find out if your case makes any semblance of sense, I won’t find out whether it does.

                I’ll just assume you are clueless without noticing it yourself. That’s okay.

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                  1 day ago

                  Ok, and I’m just going to assume you’re dishonest shit heel. Actually, that’s not really an assumption, given I can see that you are

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                    1 day ago

                    What if I just give you my contact on Telegram and you throw me a video call and see that no, I’m just a person who has grown in such different environment than your that I cannot recognize the context in which you are making your basic assumptions?

                    I’m not stupid, literally, but I am apparently very inexperienced in the regards of many things that are absolutely everyday for you.