These remind me of the post-1906 earthquake shacks. Better built attached housing would likely let people live better at a similar, if they could manage to agree on reasonable rules about living just a bit closer.

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      Man I would actually consider this over sharing a wall. If you’ve never had a very loud, persistent neighbor you just don’t get it

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          Cool that you had the privilege. That, or you built your own apartment complex?

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          That would have to be an extremely thick wall for some of the neighbors I’ve had.

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            Yes, it should be at least a foot of concrete. Or, more environmentally friendly, a foot of compressed earth.

            But lots of places just do wood stick frame and that’s fucking terrible between two different units.

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              I’m not sure that’s enough concrete to drown out neighbors I’ve had. I’ve lived in buildings with about that much concrete between apartments but I’d still hear the bass of music at 3 AM.

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          The most effective wall you can build is a concrete block wall/insulated air gap/concrete block wall. It seems like overkill but this is the type of construction that cinemas have between individual theaters. The only way to get more isolation (aka the “good, thick wall”) is to decouple the walls, and at that point you’re at separate structures anyway which adds the advantages of fire breaks and not having to have a legal entity governing common components like that roof.

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            Do you have a link to more info about this design? I’m also curious in achieving the same thing in floors, so even someone jumping up and down with steel toed boots can’t be heated between floors

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        You lived in cheaply built places. I’ve never had a problem after decades in apartments. Older buildings tend to be better built than apartment complexes.

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            lol funny thing to go on the offense over

            Find yourself a 100 year old building. They were made to heat and cool before refrigeration was discovered and are far more comfortable. All the best stuff was put up before 1935.

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              Cool story, “just move” is a privileged statement.

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                Did I tell you to? No. That was in your head. I get that this is all about your own insecurity. You really are a toxic little booger aren’t you?

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                  You opened up saying I lived somewhere cheap, an insult. Anyone being toxic here is the one passing sweeping advice for lots of folks who can’t afford to move. You specifically said “find yourself a” which yes, means telling someone to change buildings.

                  Why would I care about the construction of your magic building? Why’d you feel the need to educate me, without considering the availability of buildings in my area, even disregarding price issues?

                  Did you think I chose a building with thin walls, or couldn’t understand how a thick wall can block sound?

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                    Lol you’re really an idiot and I rarely say that. You lived in cheaply constructed places whether you want to admit it or not. The fact that this makes you feel insecure is a you thing. Have a block for fucks sake and get some therapy.

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              Approximately 2% of the buildings in the city where I grew up were built before 1922. You can’t expect everyone in a city to be able to fit into 2% of its buildings, even if you convert all the non-residential buildings in that age range into residential buildings. Hardly anybody could be bothered to live out here before air conditioning was available so the whole region is new construction.

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                K. Seems you’ve decided we shouldn’t invest into better infrastructure for some reason.

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        And here in the west.

        The problem is that they’re often in groups, away from the city center, and nowhere close to transit. So we need even more roads to get everyone with their cars where they need to go.

        What we need is mixed zoning with transit in mind.