• genie@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I think there’s value in what you’re calling attention to.

    “Freedom” vs “domination” though has nothing to do with the left or right of a government (in theory). You’re actually referring to libertarianism vs authoritarianism, which is (again, in theory) independent from economic structure.

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      8 months ago

      @genie@lemmy.world I did not draw a dichotomy nor make a universal definition. I stated that the left is concerned with freedom from domination, which is undeniably true. What else do words like “equality” and “equity” mean? I did not state or suggest that this was the only concern, but it’s clearly an important one.

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        8 months ago

        I didn’t say that you did?

        I respectfully disagree that “the left is concerned with freedom from domination” is “undeniably true”. I think there’s a lot of room for debate here that you’re frankly not interested in.

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          8 months ago

          @genie@lemmy.world You don’t have any idea what I’m interested in.

          I am definitely not interested in being condescended to, that’s for sure, so bye.

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      8 months ago

      Nah bud. you can’t separate social theory from economic theory in general terms. They are one and the same. How your currency is used and controlled and by who for what is social theory.

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        8 months ago

        They are related (in practice) but I disagree that they’re one “and” the same. Freedom from domination can exist in the left or the right.

        Demonizing the views that you don’t hold as inherently opposed to freedom is how the US got to this point in this awful no spectrum of views two party system in the first place.

        (By the way, just noticed your username. How’re’ya’now bud?)

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          8 months ago

          Freedom from domination cannot exist in the right, as domination is the method by which production occurs. The right must whitewash domination, clean it, yet still use it, to operate.

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              8 months ago

              No, not at all. I’m suggesting that when production is directed by an owner class, the worker class is dominated. If the workers collectively or individually own the means of production, there is no domination.

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                8 months ago

                On that point I’m with you! It’s painfully obvious in today’s wealth disparity in the US.

                Where it breaks down for me is your argument that it’s only possible to have a dominating dynamic in a right wing regime. Would you really argue that the CCP does not impose a dominating dynamic over the people of China?

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                  8 months ago

                  My point was more that the right is necessarily dominating, while the left is conditionally so. The original point was that either side could be dominating or not, and I disagree with that, only the left has the chance to not be dominating because it’s a requirement for the right.

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      8 months ago

      No. Capitalism, feudalism, monarchism, and so forth are built on domination, ie hierarchy, while leftist structures such as Socialism, Communism, and Anarchism advocate collective ownership so as to combat this.