• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    5 months ago

    And how would they no longer feel threatened without driving out or killing every Palestinian in Gaza?

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      5 months ago

      Whether or not Israel feels threatened is up to Israel. Biden said Hamas is not capable of another 10/7, which might be sufficient to meet that condition.

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        They’re still firing rockets into Israel. I would suggest that means that Israel would consider them to be a threat. They’re not doing it from inside of Gaza either.

        And every baby the IDF kills creates more Hamas sympathizers and people willing to commit violence for Hamas.

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          You might consider rockets a threat, but that doesn’t mean the Israeli government considers them a threat.

          In other words, there some in Israel who likely believe the military capabilities of Hamas have already been destroyed (like Gantz), and some who likely believe they haven’t (like Ben Gvir). So the government could officially take either position.

          Netanyahu just wants to remain in power. He still supports the deal which suggests he is in the first group and is counting on the support of people in the first group. That might include opposition leader Yair Lapid, who promised to support Netanyahu if Ben Gvir leaves the governing coalition.

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              Sure, but they could declare that partly because of the Iron Dome, the threat has been neutralized.

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                They could have claimed that a dozen or so years ago, yet for some reason they kept terrorizing Gazans while being almost entirely immune to any type of “conventional” (and proportionate… Which lol because this isn’t a word the Israeli government is familiar with) response. Also even “conventional” is a stretch given the apartheid reality makes it nearly impossible for Palestinians to even formulate a “proper” response.

                It’s almost like 10/7 was out of complete desperation for an untenable situation where these people see there friends and family murdered by the IDF for no reason, or have family in The West Bank where settlers from New Jersey who have never been out of the US are literally storming Palestinian villages with AR-15s in the middle of the night and forcing them to leave so they can literally steal their property.

                I am by no means justifying the events of 10/7, just like I would never justify the events of 9/11. But I would be ignorant and foolish not to learn anything from the event about how decades of policy like this creates terrorists and they will fight back when you corner them for literal decades.

                Anyone old enough to remember 9/11 and didn’t just read Bin Laden’s “manifesto” or whatever you want to call it last year, we remember when it happened and, to many of us it make complete sense. Shit, Obama almost lost in 08 because he was seen with some black preacher once or twice who had a recording of an old sermon where he (correctly) said 9/11 was our “chickens coming home to roost”.

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                  5 months ago

                  Presumably those will end during the temporary ceasefire, allowing Israel to claim that goal has been accomplished before the permanent ceasefire.

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                    True, if the Israeli government has shown us anything, all they really want is peace, right? Not the land. Not complete control of the people in an open-air prison. They’ll just stop all that if they, “no longer feel threatened.”

                    You cannot be this naive.

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                    “They’re not shooting at us now so they never will again?” Are you really saying they’re that naive?