Also it’s crazy to think that someone who has that much money works harder (proportionally to the amount they make) than someone who can’t even take a piss break without fear of being fired.
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so “people won’t work if their needs are met” is patently untrue
It’s not true or untrue for “people” as a monolith. People differ.
Lots of people are happy to do literally nothing productive, if they could.
And lots of people hate being professionally idle, so much so that they can’t stand not finding at least a part-time job, even after they’ve “retired”. At my current job, we had a 99 year old who was basically FORCED to retire (for the second time, she had ‘retired’ already, before she came to work here) by management, after she had a health scare at work. She was literally angry and grumbling about it during her retirement party, lol.
Different people are wired differently. Nuance is important.
Well you’d need to define productive, bc if by productive you mean work 9 to 5 esc job then sure maybe, but people like doing stuff especially when they can do that with others
How much you make has never been related to how hard/strenuous the work is.
Ditch digging is a body-destroying job. But because basically any able-bodied person can do it, no individual can command a very high wage for it, because the more potential candidates there are, the more likely that there’s someone who’s willing to do the same job for less than you’re willing to do it for.
On the other side, if there’s hypothetically a very specialized job with 5 openings, 1 each at 5 different companies, and you’re the one and only person with the required skillset to do it, you can basically name your price, and those 5 companies will fight each other to get you.
Acquiring skills that are as valued and rare as possible, is the way to accelerate your earning, not working as “hard” as possible.
Well, almost nothing would be. Yours is a NONargument because it completely kills the discourse. But that’s beside the point. Some billionares do work hard because they happened across a smart idea and they were able to make it flourish.
Not saying that Bezos in 2023 deserves all the money he has because I dislike Amazon, but you still can’t deny that it was an idea that changed in just a decade the entire way a society thinks about shopping.
So because he had an idea and workers realized that idea for him and those workers make that idea be maintained for him makes it fine for them to be exploited? Also I doubt that those people at the top manage shit, they just have another workers manage this stuff for them.
That’s just dingeneous and completely disregarding how things actually work. Did he clean the bathrooms? Of course not. But he did coordinate his team of workers by creating other teams of worker where at the end there were people who coded and shipped everything. If you think that would be easy to do you have a rude awakening waiting for you lmao.
I mean to say, that it is probably the hardest or among the hardest roles.
The one who works hard is the worker you depend on. That worker can go work elsewhere, but you need him. Pay him his worth, because he’s literally the support pillar. I’m sure you know what happens when there’s no support pillar.
It’s not because you tell people what to do that you work harder. Those people could have done it themselves, but they didn’t have the money to start something as big as amazon. It’s all about how much money you have to invest, not hard work.
Some billionares do work hard because they happened across a smart idea and they were able to make it flourish.
Those people would be NOTHING if not for all other workers. It’s a team game and the entire team should be rewarded and treated with respect. I’m not saying we should pay every job the same wage, I’m saying that all of the money shouldn’t flow to the few select people while the rest gets scrumbles.
Having power does not imply great effort to hold it. The bourgeois state does that, all Billionaires need do is collect profit while they sleep, or take a visit to Epstein’s island.
And those people can take “risks” multiple times with their connections made through money because they can afford that. Oh? What are you saying? If they can take the risks safely it means they aren’t actually risks? Oh well…
I have no problem with people making money. Why would I have a problem with people making money if they’re successful?
These people are not successful because of their talent, they are successful because they have money. Success breeds success and riches breed more riches. If they do well enough they can stick everything in a high interest saver account and live off the interest.
So it’s a bit rich when they claim to be some big shot and to lecture everyone else on their secret magic talent, which is usually nothing else other than they were lucky with their birthright.
See Donald Trump is a classic example of this. The man couldn’t think his out way out a wet paper bag, and yet he’s fabulously wealthy even if he’s lying about 90% of his income he still has more money than most people would know what to do with. Everything he is is because of his father, all of his success has been despite his personal “accomplishments” not because of them.
People can live comfortably and still work hard. It’s almost like poverty doesn’t encourage work, but infact only makes life more difficult and stressful in myriad ways, ultimately decreasing effective productivity.
A lot of billionaires do work hard.
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Also it’s crazy to think that someone who has that much money works harder (proportionally to the amount they make) than someone who can’t even take a piss break without fear of being fired.
(sorry for the 2 deleted comments, my client bugged out big time)
I still see the other 2 comments but that may just be a federation thing.
definitely is. on my instance it shows as deleted but not when i check on yours
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It’s not true or untrue for “people” as a monolith. People differ.
Lots of people are happy to do literally nothing productive, if they could. And lots of people hate being professionally idle, so much so that they can’t stand not finding at least a part-time job, even after they’ve “retired”. At my current job, we had a 99 year old who was basically FORCED to retire (for the second time, she had ‘retired’ already, before she came to work here) by management, after she had a health scare at work. She was literally angry and grumbling about it during her retirement party, lol.
Different people are wired differently. Nuance is important.
Well you’d need to define productive, bc if by productive you mean work 9 to 5 esc job then sure maybe, but people like doing stuff especially when they can do that with others
Sure, but is it proportional to the money they make? Fuck no.
How much you make has never been related to how hard/strenuous the work is.
Ditch digging is a body-destroying job. But because basically any able-bodied person can do it, no individual can command a very high wage for it, because the more potential candidates there are, the more likely that there’s someone who’s willing to do the same job for less than you’re willing to do it for.
On the other side, if there’s hypothetically a very specialized job with 5 openings, 1 each at 5 different companies, and you’re the one and only person with the required skillset to do it, you can basically name your price, and those 5 companies will fight each other to get you.
Acquiring skills that are as valued and rare as possible, is the way to accelerate your earning, not working as “hard” as possible.
Well, almost nothing would be. Yours is a NONargument because it completely kills the discourse. But that’s beside the point. Some billionares do work hard because they happened across a smart idea and they were able to make it flourish.
Not saying that Bezos in 2023 deserves all the money he has because I dislike Amazon, but you still can’t deny that it was an idea that changed in just a decade the entire way a society thinks about shopping.
Why is an overwhelming, correct argument that ends the discourse a bad thing if you already admit it’s correct?
Kills the discourse = disagrees with my opinion
So because he had an idea and workers realized that idea for him and those workers make that idea be maintained for him makes it fine for them to be exploited? Also I doubt that those people at the top manage shit, they just have another workers manage this stuff for them.
That’s just dingeneous and completely disregarding how things actually work. Did he clean the bathrooms? Of course not. But he did coordinate his team of workers by creating other teams of worker where at the end there were people who coded and shipped everything. If you think that would be easy to do you have a rude awakening waiting for you lmao.
I mean to say, that it is probably the hardest or among the hardest roles.
JFC…
Following this logic you don’t work very hard.
The one who works hard is the worker you depend on. That worker can go work elsewhere, but you need him. Pay him his worth, because he’s literally the support pillar. I’m sure you know what happens when there’s no support pillar.
It’s not because you tell people what to do that you work harder. Those people could have done it themselves, but they didn’t have the money to start something as big as amazon. It’s all about how much money you have to invest, not hard work.
Smart ideas with money to invest = hard worker
Smart ideas but poor = ???
Yeah plus even if they don’t have the ideas working in a warehouse moving stuff is harder than talking and arranging things with people
i’d take a life of “how am i gonna spend this money wisely” over a life of “how am i gonna make it this month”
What I was just trying to say smart idea = hard to realize idea. Whether you have money or not. Clearly money helps.
Stewardship is hard to learn. Most people won’t have the discipline not would they take the risks. I studied business.
Those people would be NOTHING if not for all other workers. It’s a team game and the entire team should be rewarded and treated with respect. I’m not saying we should pay every job the same wage, I’m saying that all of the money shouldn’t flow to the few select people while the rest gets scrumbles.
No, according to their merit and according to their contribution.
Being in charge of a team is literally the hardest part of the job.
Having power does not imply great effort to hold it. The bourgeois state does that, all Billionaires need do is collect profit while they sleep, or take a visit to Epstein’s island.
That’s based on Marxism, which only tears down everything, producing nothing.
What do you mean Marxism “only tears down everything” and “produces nothing?”
Yeah they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, with nothing more then a couple of million from their parents.
It’s not fair but it’s the only way. Stewardship is hard. Business is hard and risky. People often fail to recognize the risky nature.
Trump has literally failed at every business ventured he has spearheaded… he is still a billionaire… where is the risk again?
And those people can take “risks” multiple times with their connections made through money because they can afford that. Oh? What are you saying? If they can take the risks safely it means they aren’t actually risks? Oh well…
I have no problem with people making money. Why would I have a problem with people making money if they’re successful?
These people are not successful because of their talent, they are successful because they have money. Success breeds success and riches breed more riches. If they do well enough they can stick everything in a high interest saver account and live off the interest.
So it’s a bit rich when they claim to be some big shot and to lecture everyone else on their secret magic talent, which is usually nothing else other than they were lucky with their birthright.
See Donald Trump is a classic example of this. The man couldn’t think his out way out a wet paper bag, and yet he’s fabulously wealthy even if he’s lying about 90% of his income he still has more money than most people would know what to do with. Everything he is is because of his father, all of his success has been despite his personal “accomplishments” not because of them.
Names.
Uhh… you know, that one guy… uhhh… and the other guy too…
People can live comfortably and still work hard. It’s almost like poverty doesn’t encourage work, but infact only makes life more difficult and stressful in myriad ways, ultimately decreasing effective productivity.
Pull your head out of your ass and breath reality.