May question ako, after the whole abandoning of this community… Is there any hope for any move outside of the main social medias?

Intro

I’ve thought about this, since I’ve been exploring Mastodon, Bluesky vs Twitter/X… Nostr. Any move outside of the main three, Facebook, Twitter/X, and Reddit… fizzles out like this one. While there still remains somewhat of a community, such as the more popular communities in this fediverse… I wonder what’s the hope of switching away from the dominant socmeds if there is no homegrown movement here. I mean, look at me, I very rarely post, and look at Lemmy since any important info is almost always in reddit due to search…

Reflection

Don’t get me wrong… We all have lives outside of social media, (especially me), it’s just… very hard to come back and look at the multiple of dead communities, knowing you don’t really have much to contribute. Like look at the many news posts, and random discussions… Somebody has to take charge, and it’s not going to be me… I have so many things to do. My point is, there is low hope for any alt socmeds to reliably grow, if either the people that moved just… move on from being chronically online or go back (to the big three), due to a multitude of reasons.

Conclusion

I think I’m just exhausted with my life, and that has permeated with my internet usage too. There’s too many negative videos/posts that I have viewed, but there is much regret and procrastination outside. In conclusion…? I rambled for three paragraphs about Lemmy and the Fediverse, The Big Tech Social Medias, and the Philippines / Internet Culture…

Hope ya got something out of it!

  • decadentrebel@lemmy.worldM
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    2 days ago

    I still use Reddit daily for browsing non-PH news and happenings, but I completely stopped posting. Every once in a while I’ll try to comment something but delete it immediately after. I realized that replying and posting ate up a huge chunk of my time and often derail my momentum when working, so I don’t really miss it. But at the same time, posting my thoughts is an outlet and it’s also nice to revisit to see where my headspace was at a particular point. As an alternative, I just post it on my FB feed and set it to “Only Me”.

    It doesn’t help that r/PH is a shit-show echo chamber now, mostly because of the users. Nakaka-turnoff yung mga matapobre, antinatalists, eugenicists, and low-effort threads. I haven’t been there for a week pero pustahan mga posts diyan tungkol na naman sa pinipilit sila magperform sa Christmas Party tapos pag malapit na bagong taon sasabihin nila ang lakas lakas magpatunog ng tambutso hulugan naman daw yung motor. They’re seriously just as bad as the bastards on FB’s comment sections.

    That said, I’m happy it all played out the way it did. I was able to get UndustFixation started, able to finish some of my PS5 backlogs, go out of the country for the first time since 2012, and I’m bonding with my daughter now through our shared interest in blind boxes (she got me into it actually lol).

    • Balon_Josaca@lemm.eeOP
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      2 days ago

      Oh cool, yeah… It’s unavoidable to not use Reddit for anything these days anyway… With how lemmy posts are still buried (either lemmy issue or search engine… idk anymore).

      As for the whole, thoughts… I have an entire website and note/blog that is pretty much that, and I rarely share it since it’s pretty much me in text form… And yeah! Posting and commenting really interrupt a lot of things… like rn… I’m supposed to be doing something else, but I’m replying 'cause I found your comment interesting.

      I haven’t even taken a second to look at r/PH but from you and the other user, there seems to be the usual echo chamber that is the usual problem in reddit subreddits… And the usual PH fb comment brainrot haha…

      I’m happy for you though, It’s nice knowing people live lives outside of these online spaces haha…

      • decadentrebel@lemmy.worldM
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        2 days ago

        What separates Lemmy and Reddit is that you don’t have to overthink what you post, lol. I can just say what I want and not worry about adding receipts to whatever I say, whether I got my facts right, or do I come off bad. If edits need to be made, you can go back later in the day when you’re free because no one would be reading it until after a week anyway LMAO. I believe there are also logs that allow others to check what you edited. So while commenting here interrupts work, it doesn’t take more than a few minutes to do unlike in Reddit when it would literally take half an hour or so.

  • megane-kun@lemm.ee
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    4 days ago

    There are Filipinos in Lemmy, even those who didn’t participate in this community back when it was more alive. I suspect there were more Filipinos in Lemmy that didn’t participate in the community than those who did. Perhaps it is the usual 90% lurker, 9% commenter, 0.9% poster mix, with the remaining percentage being what I call “community leaders” who set the tone and the stage for the community.

    The problem, as far as I see it, is with the very nature of non-mainstream social media: it’s non-mainstream. Sherlock-level take, I know, but the problem is that while there’s a lot of Filipinos using social media, and some of them use non-mainstream social media (such as Mastodon and Lemmy), I doubt it’s enough to sustain a community (at this early state, at least) without some unholy level of effort and commitment not just from the community leaders, but also from the members. I am guilty of this lack of commitment myself.

    Personally, I stayed here on Lemmy, but I wasn’t really the type of person that can comment and make posts that are meaningful and relevant to this community. Unfortunately, I guess there’s more people like me here than otherwise.

    Moreover, I don’t think it’s easy to spot a Filipino in those non-mainstream media unless they tell you. And as far as my sample size of less than a handful is concerned, they aren’t really coming out of the woodwork just as easily to form a Filipino community in those non-mainstream social media. This is perhaps a consequence of Filipinos (of my generation at least, the 90’s kids) getting used to a social media not of their own, they’ve managed to blend in and are fine with it. Unless there’s a big reason to come out of the shadows and participate in, or create, a Filipino community, they won’t.

    Considering how old Facebook has already been when it gained traction here in the Philippines, how old Reddit was when /r/Philippines really got active, I think this community is just before its time. The only kinds of communities here on Lemmy that I can consider self-sustaining and mature enough are the Linux communities and other more geeky-pop-culture communities (LotR, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc). These communities really paint a picture of what appeals to the ordinary Lemmy user right now, and perhaps an indication of what kind of users tend to adopt non-mainstream social media.

    Oh, I forgot to answer the question:

    Is there any hope for any move outside of the main social medias?

    If what you mean by ‘move’ is something like moving /r/Philippines into !philippines@lemmy.world, then no. I don’t think there was any hope of that happening to begin with. What I think might be possible is to have enough people here in Lemmy such that there’s enough Filipinos (or other people interested in the Philippines) to organically grow this community.


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    I forgot to answer the OP’s question, my bad.

    • Balon_Josaca@lemm.eeOP
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      3 days ago

      Oh, good insight. I guess I’m still getting used to the whole niche crowd I’ve put myself in. (Like Linux, FLOSS space, etc.)

      I guess it is reasonable that people like me don’t out themselves much considering what I’ve been doing… Yeah, I think throughout the whole journey I’ve been in and throughout the ‘alt-media’ space (Mainly Lemmy and Mastodon/Bluesky). It’s always been more niche communities that have moved…

      Oh, and I was also part of that ‘commenter’ crowd before decentrabel retired so I didn’t really expect that it would die out (though to be fair… I did unexpectedly quit around the last months due to personal reasons)

      Yeah, I guess there’s just gotta be people interested and willing to post and comment to spread on the already non-mainstream crowd of lemmy users…

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      3 days ago

      It’s a relief that r/philippines never committed to moving here after June 2023. We were spared from attempts by idiots u/sarcasticookie and u/choco-mallows to run this community.

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    4 days ago

    There’s no concievable way for Filipinos to move on from Facebook when it’s the only platform that’s mostly usable with free data. It’s been a while since I had to use it, but iirc the experience was mostly complete sans Post media. Comments loaded photos just fine and most people uploaded the post’s photos in the comments as well, as a courtesy.

    So yeah, bar facebook making an incredible mistake, zuck’s trojan is here to stay.

    And Reddit just got lucky that they implemented New Reddit on the Web and first-party apps on Mobile right as it took off here in Ph, so most pinoys don’t know what they missed out on Reddit’s more focused, simpler times and with the relatively recent death of the 3P API.

    As I read somewhere on the internet, Reddit does have an interest in expanding the Philippine userbase. But I think it’s a vague plan at best and at some point, Reddit wont get the ROI they want.

    Reddit isn’t new or dazzling like Bluesky. It popped off in 2019 and the pandemic helped it maintain momentum but it has the same problems Lemmy has right now.

    The biggest subreddits are chugging along but its not gonna foster any small communities the same way a Facebook group will. and I suspect most lurkers will just go back to facebook eventually.

    • Balon_Josaca@lemm.eeOP
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      3 days ago

      I can attest to that… I don’t even use reddit / twitter that much so I can say I’ve moved to Lemmy/Mastodon, and if I continue lurking… Well, I guess little would change, since I did try to at least participate but you can’t really fault anyone there.

      About the data thing… Free data is important, huh? I’ve never considered that before since usually people always have some sliver of load… Facebook is just too embedded too as you said, I myself started on Facebook. Reddit and Twitter are less… Yeah, I wasn’t there when old reddit and twitter… youtube lurker back then…

      Basically… yeah. I agree. The only way to permanently switch someone (like my other friends from Twitter to Bluesky) is if it’s truly that bad and people mildly aware are doing that (at least… younger people, IDK about older lol)

    • Balon_Josaca@lemm.eeOP
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      3 days ago

      I can attest to that… I don’t even use reddit / twitter that much so I can say I’ve moved to Lemmy/Mastodon, and if I continue lurking… Well, I guess little would change, since I did try to at least participate but you can’t really fault anyone there.

      About the data thing… Free data is important, huh? I’ve never considered that before since usually people always have some sliver of load… Facebook is just too embedded too as you said, I myself started on Facebook. Reddit and Twitter are less… Yeah, I wasn’t there when old reddit and twitter… youtube lurker back then…

      Basically… yeah. I agree. The only way to permanently switch someone (like my other friends from Twitter to Bluesky) is if it’s truly that bad and people mildly aware are doing that (at least… younger people, IDK about older lol)

  • jetA
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    4 days ago

    You could post about a single thing, even mundane, in your life a day. That would create a touch point to develop a conversation.