Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
So you’re an authoritarian who wants to control dialog and define good and evil based on your own worldview? I’m anti racist, anti nazi btw before you start throwing strawmen at me.
So if you’re anti nazi, would you engage once in a debate on whether the jews really destroyed the German economy and Hitler was protecting his people, or would you tell them to fuck off?
Isn’t defending a viewpoint with evidence kinda important even if you think the viewpoint is a “no brainer?”
Nobody owes anyone on the internet a well-researched argument, but those who are up to the task of making them can be pretty influential. Maybe even start to chip away at the corruption of people who have fallen to intolerance propaganda… not all of them are doomed.
One of my best friends is a former manosphere incel. I’m a former perpetually-offended Tumblr SJW. Both of us changed our viewpoints because people pointed out flaws with them. Not everyone changes their viewpoints but some do—though likely not when confronted only with “fuck off”
Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
istg whoever solves this problem will win a fucking nobel prize.
It’s already solved. You kick the reactionaries out. It’s just that a lot of people struggle to accept the solution.
So you’re an authoritarian who wants to control dialog and define good and evil based on your own worldview? I’m anti racist, anti nazi btw before you start throwing strawmen at me.
So if you’re anti nazi, would you engage once in a debate on whether the jews really destroyed the German economy and Hitler was protecting his people, or would you tell them to fuck off?
Isn’t defending a viewpoint with evidence kinda important even if you think the viewpoint is a “no brainer?”
Nobody owes anyone on the internet a well-researched argument, but those who are up to the task of making them can be pretty influential. Maybe even start to chip away at the corruption of people who have fallen to intolerance propaganda… not all of them are doomed.
One of my best friends is a former manosphere incel. I’m a former perpetually-offended Tumblr SJW. Both of us changed our viewpoints because people pointed out flaws with them. Not everyone changes their viewpoints but some do—though likely not when confronted only with “fuck off”