I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again … a large portion of the current democratic party is rich. The DNC serves corporations not the people. They are controlled opposition. They will keep the status quo as long as they get to continue living their cushy lifestyle. The whole system is corrupt and that includes the DNC, they won’t be saving us.
The entire point of a government is controlled opposition. That’s the fucking point. It’s not some grand revelation. Change from within the system takes a lot of time and constant effort, but it is better than the alternative which takes blood and massive suffering.
The problem is the system has been around for a long time and what we’ve seen is a huge wealth transfer that has made the rich richer and is currently eroding the middle class.
“As of 2023, the top 1% of households in the U.S. hold approximately 32% of the total wealth.
In contrast, the bottom 90% of households collectively hold about 22% of the total wealth.”
We’ve now reached the point of late stage capitalism/oligarchy and if the system doesn’t change the wealth disparity will continue to grow.
There is already massive suffering. homelessness is spiraling out of control and a huge amount of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck barely surviving.
So I’d argue the alternative is starting to look quite attractive.
The wealth disparity hasn’t been this high since just before the Great Depression where 34% of disposable income went to the richest 5% (not an apples to apples comparison but the closest I could find).
One of the major causes of the depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act which imposed high tariffs on imported goods. Oh hey, look at those shiny new tariffs from Trump.
Another major factor was the Dust Bowl which was a widespread drought that dramatically impacted agriculture. Meanwhile 50% of the continental US has faced drought conditions since 2000.
The Stock Market Crash of 1929 was in large part due to overproduction of goods with people not having enough money to buy them. Look at all the companies throwing stock in the trash. Food, clothes, essentials all wasted while there are people who go without.
During the Depression, unemployment peaked at about 25%. (We are at 4.1% now.) Even during the height of COVID with factories and businesses shutting down, unemployment was only at 14.7%. That is the kind of suffering it takes for change and that is where our failures to learn from history are leading us.
You need to read between the lines on the 4.1% figure and how the fed actually comes to it. If you truly believe that’s an accurate representation of the economy and that 95.9% of people are happily employed in this era I have a bridge to sell you.
The TRU figure covers a broader range in terms of employment. It accounts for people who are underemployed living on poverty wages as well as unemployed. The feds report only covers people who are unemployed period. There are actually quite a lot of homeless people who are working.
"The February TRU — a measure of the functionally unemployed, defined as the jobless plus those seeking, but unable to find, full-time employment paying above poverty wages ($25,000 a year in 2024 dollars) after adjusting for inflation — rose from 23.3% to 24.6%. This increase reversed five months of progress for White workers, whose TRU climbed 1.6 percentage points (21.6% to 23.2%). Meanwhile, Hispanic workers saw a slight improvement, dropping from 28.4% to 28.1%, and Black workers experienced a more notable decline, dropping from 27.8% to 26%.
The increase in the TRU is in sharp contrast to official unemployment data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), which reported only a 0.1 percentage point increase, to 4.1%. Even the BLS’ broader measure of unemployment, which accounts for underemployed part-time workers, rose by just 0.5 percentage points. While this explains part of the jump in the TRU, it does not capture a key factor: more full-time workers fell below the poverty wage threshold last month."
Oh look, 24.6%, pretty close to the 25% you mentioned with the great depression.
Oh I absolutely agree that the 4.1% figure doesn’t represent actual economic conditions. Wide swaths of the country are underemployed and undercompensated.
What it does capture is what portion of the country has a job, no matter how shitty, occupying their time. When people have nowhere to go and nothing to do during the day, THAT is when we see real protests. People will make it their job to yell at those in power to fix things when there is nothing else taking their time. We saw that during the Covid lockdowns.
The problem for the bottom 90% is the perception. If you present them with a group of people who are advertised as even less valuable like immigrants, gay, black, muslim, etc they will never perceive themselves as the bottom of the barrel disposable pieces of meat. There will always be someone who will be more worthless and less human, so they will have a false sence of value.
I agree. The only solution would be for different groups of humans to understand we’re all in this together and unify under a common goal. Which is what the elites do not want.
I’ve noticed the financially conservative bias of a certain minority of the Democrats, which I think you could term “corruption”. I’d say even a lot of them would prefer Americans at least be able to get by on a living wage; hence why blue states have a higher minimum.
I could be missing information you’ve found past me, but what statistics have helped you conclude a “large portion” of them are rich / serving corporations?
About ten Democrats participated in that. I have their names written down close to my workstation and do not plan to support them. But that’s still a minority of the party, as I expressed in my post.
It’s also very possible some of those senators had less concern for the financial sector or market crash, and more concern for the possibility of shutting down the courts amid so many illegal executive orders. It’s not a great excuse, but it’s also not a self serving one.
As for millionaires: Due to inflation, the metric has shifted a bit. Some people that I directly know, that are smart and empathetic people that do what they can to help the community, are millionaires in terms of net worth. Simply owning a home in my state often puts someone in that scope. Cory Booker is est. worth $15M.
Call it a cop-out but that’s why the targeting is now on billionaires. Many millionaires know that they have more money than their basic needs, and want to make that path to success possible for others. The same likely cannot be said for very many billionaires.
Yeah you’re just missing on the part where nothing is ever fucking good enough for anyone. And we don’t believe in incremental change. Everything should’ve been perfect when we were born and it’s really upsetting that it’s not perfect yet.
People: We appreciate the Democratic party for helping the minorities and lgbt to have a voice and civil liberties, but there is more to it than life. Can you help us alleviate from economic pressure of inflation, housing costs, medical bills and college debt?
Democrats: WE WILL NOT HELP THE PEOPLE LIVING PAY CHECK TO PAY CHECK! WE WOULD RATHER ENABLE FASCISTS GET INTO POWER THAN LOSE OUR CORPORATE DONATIONS! YOU WILL VOTE FOR US OR YOU WILL BE DEPORTED BY OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE!
Well, ever since Chuck Schumer allowed much of the Republican budget bill to pass without resistance, I haven’t heard more people saying “vote blue no matter who”.
so. just to be sure, for us minorities. Be deported to el salvador or pay the same same exact money in taxes and prices as you would with your opposition?
do you see how dumb this sounds? Do you see why this is so ridiculous?
Hey! let me cut your balls off! the other guy will do it anyways (but also take the shaft and tip) does this make sense to you? GEE whiz I wonder which side I will choose they are both so similar
Do you think taxes are the only economic concerns?
“True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.”-
Franklin D. Roosevelt
If the Democratic Party still thinks we’re still partying in the 1990s at the height of economic boom and neoliberal politics, when the average Americans’ purchasing power was much higher than now and wealth inequality was low, then they need to wake up. The party is over.
You see it is important to focus on the party not in power if we do not critically analyze their every failure publicly, then they might actually get support again. Do not offer solutions of todays problems, do not focus on todays problems. Focus on the failures of Democrats who failed to serve the needs of the far far left. How dare they not accomplish a utopian paradise?
/s
i saw a party that wanted to ban half my family from the country, and people cheered. I know who to support and don’t need advice, sorry.
there was no critical failures of democrats like that. “oh no they take corpo money” on the other hand my my family could be kidnapped to el salvador was not a choice it was a necessity. white people do not need to worry about that though apparently. /s
I got a buddy who’s first gen citizen from brazil, living in the south and voted red. Thinks he’s not going to be bothered by ICE. Was arrested by ice under obama do to a false idenification.
These people are brainwashed and in a cult. They need help. Like they can’t even use their real life experiences to guide their decisions. Guess which president they got citizenship under…
yeah and its weird meeting muslims who vote for trump, i tell them are they voting to be banned and they just stare blank eyed at me and mumble something about the economy.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again … a large portion of the current democratic party is rich. The DNC serves corporations not the people. They are controlled opposition. They will keep the status quo as long as they get to continue living their cushy lifestyle. The whole system is corrupt and that includes the DNC, they won’t be saving us.
The entire point of a government is controlled opposition. That’s the fucking point. It’s not some grand revelation. Change from within the system takes a lot of time and constant effort, but it is better than the alternative which takes blood and massive suffering.
The problem is the system has been around for a long time and what we’ve seen is a huge wealth transfer that has made the rich richer and is currently eroding the middle class.
“As of 2023, the top 1% of households in the U.S. hold approximately 32% of the total wealth. In contrast, the bottom 90% of households collectively hold about 22% of the total wealth.”
We’ve now reached the point of late stage capitalism/oligarchy and if the system doesn’t change the wealth disparity will continue to grow.
There is already massive suffering. homelessness is spiraling out of control and a huge amount of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck barely surviving.
So I’d argue the alternative is starting to look quite attractive.
The wealth disparity hasn’t been this high since just before the Great Depression where 34% of disposable income went to the richest 5% (not an apples to apples comparison but the closest I could find).
One of the major causes of the depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act which imposed high tariffs on imported goods. Oh hey, look at those shiny new tariffs from Trump.
Another major factor was the Dust Bowl which was a widespread drought that dramatically impacted agriculture. Meanwhile 50% of the continental US has faced drought conditions since 2000.
The Stock Market Crash of 1929 was in large part due to overproduction of goods with people not having enough money to buy them. Look at all the companies throwing stock in the trash. Food, clothes, essentials all wasted while there are people who go without.
During the Depression, unemployment peaked at about 25%. (We are at 4.1% now.) Even during the height of COVID with factories and businesses shutting down, unemployment was only at 14.7%. That is the kind of suffering it takes for change and that is where our failures to learn from history are leading us.
You need to read between the lines on the 4.1% figure and how the fed actually comes to it. If you truly believe that’s an accurate representation of the economy and that 95.9% of people are happily employed in this era I have a bridge to sell you.
The TRU figure covers a broader range in terms of employment. It accounts for people who are underemployed living on poverty wages as well as unemployed. The feds report only covers people who are unemployed period. There are actually quite a lot of homeless people who are working.
"The February TRU — a measure of the functionally unemployed, defined as the jobless plus those seeking, but unable to find, full-time employment paying above poverty wages ($25,000 a year in 2024 dollars) after adjusting for inflation — rose from 23.3% to 24.6%. This increase reversed five months of progress for White workers, whose TRU climbed 1.6 percentage points (21.6% to 23.2%). Meanwhile, Hispanic workers saw a slight improvement, dropping from 28.4% to 28.1%, and Black workers experienced a more notable decline, dropping from 27.8% to 26%.
The increase in the TRU is in sharp contrast to official unemployment data released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), which reported only a 0.1 percentage point increase, to 4.1%. Even the BLS’ broader measure of unemployment, which accounts for underemployed part-time workers, rose by just 0.5 percentage points. While this explains part of the jump in the TRU, it does not capture a key factor: more full-time workers fell below the poverty wage threshold last month."
Oh look, 24.6%, pretty close to the 25% you mentioned with the great depression.
Oh I absolutely agree that the 4.1% figure doesn’t represent actual economic conditions. Wide swaths of the country are underemployed and undercompensated.
What it does capture is what portion of the country has a job, no matter how shitty, occupying their time. When people have nowhere to go and nothing to do during the day, THAT is when we see real protests. People will make it their job to yell at those in power to fix things when there is nothing else taking their time. We saw that during the Covid lockdowns.
The problem for the bottom 90% is the perception. If you present them with a group of people who are advertised as even less valuable like immigrants, gay, black, muslim, etc they will never perceive themselves as the bottom of the barrel disposable pieces of meat. There will always be someone who will be more worthless and less human, so they will have a false sence of value.
I agree. The only solution would be for different groups of humans to understand we’re all in this together and unify under a common goal. Which is what the elites do not want.
I’ve noticed the financially conservative bias of a certain minority of the Democrats, which I think you could term “corruption”. I’d say even a lot of them would prefer Americans at least be able to get by on a living wage; hence why blue states have a higher minimum.
I could be missing information you’ve found past me, but what statistics have helped you conclude a “large portion” of them are rich / serving corporations?
Why do you think Democrats helped to pass Trump’s budget?
The "statistics"are the number of Democratic millionaires serving in Congress and the amount of money corporate donors spend to get them elected.
About ten Democrats participated in that. I have their names written down close to my workstation and do not plan to support them. But that’s still a minority of the party, as I expressed in my post.
It’s also very possible some of those senators had less concern for the financial sector or market crash, and more concern for the possibility of shutting down the courts amid so many illegal executive orders. It’s not a great excuse, but it’s also not a self serving one.
As for millionaires: Due to inflation, the metric has shifted a bit. Some people that I directly know, that are smart and empathetic people that do what they can to help the community, are millionaires in terms of net worth. Simply owning a home in my state often puts someone in that scope. Cory Booker is est. worth $15M.
Call it a cop-out but that’s why the targeting is now on billionaires. Many millionaires know that they have more money than their basic needs, and want to make that path to success possible for others. The same likely cannot be said for very many billionaires.
Yeah you’re just missing on the part where nothing is ever fucking good enough for anyone. And we don’t believe in incremental change. Everything should’ve been perfect when we were born and it’s really upsetting that it’s not perfect yet.
both shides are the shaamies!?
which side is trying to ban an entire religion? and trans folks? is it both shides now? No? gee wonder how you get your info.
all you fucks care about is your investments while the minorities get suffocated. fuck the right fuck off
People: We appreciate the Democratic party for helping the minorities and lgbt to have a voice and civil liberties, but there is more to it than life. Can you help us alleviate from economic pressure of inflation, housing costs, medical bills and college debt?
Democrats: Best I can do is identity politics.
“then fuck you democrats!” gets sent to el-salvador
damn those identities, getting us deported and imprisoned and installing fascism. such similar political parties, amirite
Democrats: You will be happy with the breadcrumbs that we
rich me and my oligarch bossgive, or those people will deport you.Now that I think about it, Democrats are basically threatening people to vote for them or they will be deported. Not saying the quiet part out loud.
meanwhile the republicans “MY CAMPAIGN PROMISE IS TO BAN AN ENTIRE RELIGION! WOOOOO! FUCK POOR PEOPLE TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH! WOOOOO!”
“gee whiz they are both the same!- morons”
Democrats: WE WILL NOT HELP THE PEOPLE LIVING PAY CHECK TO PAY CHECK! WE WOULD RATHER ENABLE FASCISTS GET INTO POWER THAN LOSE OUR CORPORATE DONATIONS! YOU WILL VOTE FOR US OR YOU WILL BE DEPORTED BY OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE!
Well, ever since Chuck Schumer allowed much of the Republican budget bill to pass without resistance, I haven’t heard more people saying “vote blue no matter who”.
Just saying.
so. just to be sure, for us minorities. Be deported to el salvador or pay the same same exact money in taxes and prices as you would with your opposition?
do you see how dumb this sounds? Do you see why this is so ridiculous?
Hey! let me cut your balls off! the other guy will do it anyways (but also take the shaft and tip) does this make sense to you? GEE whiz I wonder which side I will choose they are both so similar
Do you think taxes are the only economic concerns?
“True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.”- Franklin D. Roosevelt
If the Democratic Party still thinks we’re still partying in the 1990s at the height of economic boom and neoliberal politics, when the average Americans’ purchasing power was much higher than now and wealth inequality was low, then they need to wake up. The party is over.
You see it is important to focus on the party not in power if we do not critically analyze their every failure publicly, then they might actually get support again. Do not offer solutions of todays problems, do not focus on todays problems. Focus on the failures of Democrats who failed to serve the needs of the far far left. How dare they not accomplish a utopian paradise? /s
i saw a party that wanted to ban half my family from the country, and people cheered. I know who to support and don’t need advice, sorry.
there was no critical failures of democrats like that. “oh no they take corpo money” on the other hand my my family could be kidnapped to el salvador was not a choice it was a necessity. white people do not need to worry about that though apparently. /s
I got a buddy who’s first gen citizen from brazil, living in the south and voted red. Thinks he’s not going to be bothered by ICE. Was arrested by ice under obama do to a false idenification.
These people are brainwashed and in a cult. They need help. Like they can’t even use their real life experiences to guide their decisions. Guess which president they got citizenship under…
yeah and its weird meeting muslims who vote for trump, i tell them are they voting to be banned and they just stare blank eyed at me and mumble something about the economy.
its stunning
Hating gay people is a powerful unifying force. I did not expect the marriage of latinos, muslims and maga whites.
this is true; the chickens voting for the KFC colonel. amazing and depressing at the same time