I guess it is a consequence of the Reddit migration where the habit is just keeping the old community name. But having C/Politics being US only on Lemmy.world, an instance that aims to be international (hence the name), seems weird to me.
Would have been cool to give up this assumption that everything is related to US by default when moving away from Reddit. I mean, even the canadian political news of Lemmy.ca is CanadaPolitics.
More than weird, it should be corrected.
How quickly we want to become Reddit I guess.
Well, that community is just as toxic and block-worthy as the reddit sub already. Mission accomplished.
I was more meaning wanting the admins to fuck around with the communities a la /u/spez.
You can always leave to another instance or make your own if you don’t like the admins. Proper democracy in action. Wasn’t like that on Reddit.
Only fair if you use a generic name like “politics” and make it only about US.
So should all instance users get to vote on what every community is for? Do the creators and mods of that community not get to decide that?
I actually took the other side of this argument when Lemmy was ramping up, that the concept of Federation needed to change to make the system more accessible to non-technical users. And I was told that my idea (federating the communities) was counter to the freedom that Lemmy was designed around.
It can’t be both ways. It’s a cathedral, or it’s a bazaar. But if it’s a bazaar then we have to deal with the reality that sometimes people beat us to the places we want and have different ideas for what they should be.
Nothing is stopping you from starting worldpolitics, globalpolitics, politics2 or politics on another instance.
Or Android and then lock it.
That seems to be the nature of people who want to discuss politics online.
Are the admins deleting global content or something? If not, wouldn’t correcting it just be more people from other countries posting their own political news?
It’s part of the rules:
Must be articles relevant to US political news. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed.
It should change its name to US Leftist Politics. The mod u/YoBuckStopsHere is responsible for 80 percent of the posts and its comes with their bias. Their mods also delete posts and dont enforce the TOS. If you want to have any educated discussion about politics, thats not the place. Its a very close minded, hostile crowd over there.
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I agree. on any other server it would already be questionable, but lemmy.world suggests international appeal. The default news should be world news, with each country heading their own channel.
There is a world politics as well as other regional politics communities on our side bar. We suggest subscribing to one of those if your more interested in those arenas of political discussion.
Lemmy.world is full of US-specific things. It’s quite bizarre that US is probably the only major country that doesn’t have its own instance. I’ve already noted it. And predicted it a month ago, but that didn’t go anywhere.
What do you mean. the USA ain’t the whole world?
Every country in the world belongs to America
Isn’t beehaw in the US? Also midwest.social? Or do you mean an instance run by the country itself?
Beehaw is a locked down walled garden instance that doesn’t seem to actually want to be everyone’s go to. That’s fine, but it doesn’t mean it makes sense for most people to join it.
Midwest.social is only specific to a small region of the US.
I don’t think every country necessarily needs their own instance though.
I mean like feddit.de, feddit.it, feddit.ch, feddit.uk, aussie.zone, lemmy.nz, feddit.cl, lemmy.eco.br, szmer.info… So if you want to have a community about a city in the country, or politics, or a sports team/league, that’s a better place to place for it than !texas@lemmy.world or !oregon@lemmy.world.
It also makes it easier for geographic features with the same name in multiple countries.
I disagree with the concept that there’s a better place for anything. If my account is here, I will create a community/magazine here. I’m not going to segregate myself simply because of my location. You can argue that an instance should suggest naming conventions for localized topics. But it’s up to the instance to require that. There’s no real rules between instances at all. So I find the discussion that a community doesn’t belong in a general purpose instance. If it doesn’t conflict with the intent of the instance and the instance has no naming convention, it’s first come, first serve.
Creating generic rules to apply to other instances aside from the protocol is simply not what the fediverse is about.
Edit to add: also, there’s no default instance for a country either. Sure those that you mentioned exist, but there’s no rule saying Germans need to put German specific things in feddit.de.
There’s gonna be a lot of culture shock from authoritarians throughout the fediverse it would seem. Some people don’t know what to do with a little freedom.
People are generally good with having their own freedom, where they get outraged is when they discover that other people have freedom. Obviously this situation can’t be allowed so rules need to be made, and enforced, so those other people have to conform.
I don’t know why some people are treating my complains like I’m some sort of Judge Dredd that wants to shoot everybody who makes a community I don’t like.
I’m saying, be reasonable. I wouldn’t be making a community on .world about some random 4th league football club or a hike trail in my country, I’d use an instance more suited for it. If you can’t make a new community there, ping an admin to make it for you. It’s not a big deal, and better for everybody: locals can find it more easily, and the others won’t be bothered by it by default.
The reverse is also stupid, creating general-purpose comms on country-specific instances. Once instance blocking becomes an option, nobody will find them.
For real, how is it that every bloody country can make its own instance, but only the US can’t? Doesn’t it strike you just a bit weird? I’m no more interested what’s going on in Oregon than in Frankfurt.
As far as I know, you can only create communities on your own instance. I don’t like the idea of telling people that need to create accounts elsewhere becsuse their community isn’t welcome.
A general purpose instance is general purpose. As long as it doesn’t break any rules, it should be welcomed.
And segregating the fediverse is literally not what it’s about. There shouldn’t be forced segregation.
Instances shouldn’t be localized unless that’s its purpose. If there was a feddit.us that was general purpose, I’d be fine if someone from the UK created a football community first.
There’s no such thing as a better place for something in the fediverse. There’s only not acceptable places. And general purpose has a very low bar for acceptable.
I feel like most folks don’t get the idea behind the fediverse and the multi-instance concept.
You just fail to see anyone else’s point besides yours. I already addressed your objections, and you’re unable to address mine, so I won’t be repeating myself.
Your argument is “be reasonable” and then some subjective feeling about what you feel is personally reasonable. Your reason isn’t objective. I addressed this in literally every comment in some fashion. Your feelings aren’t an argument.
Edit: especially since you never addressed the technical limitations I mentioned in any way shape or fashion. That’s a much bigger hurdle than your opinions about what fits in general purpose.
Because according to Americans, they are The Normal.
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It also directly goes against their rule 3 which is “no discrimination”.
No, in a space that’s dominated by Americans, and where the base politics forum is US-only, this isn’t discrimination. It’s carving out a space for everyone else.
You don’t get to take over every space your eyes fucking see. You’re not Mufasa.
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Ok, but what you described is literally discrimination against americans. Just because they’re american, doesn’t mean its not discrimination.
Oh noes! Sumeting isn’t abowt me! Dis must be wut discwiminashun is! Help! Help! I’m bean oppressed!
QQ all day long, I guess.
If you changed the word “US” to a middle eastern country, im sure that’d receive a lot of backlash, but since you mentioned the US its acceptable. /s
Your convenient and bad-faith lack of understanding of power imbalances doesn’t make you not a giant crybaby. Go home. Y’all seem to love your isolationist imperial hellscape, just stay there and keep your nose out of what other people are doing. The rest of us don’t want you around, anyway.
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By your logic bathrooms are discriminatory as well. Each instance can set its own rules, if you don’t like the rule then block that instance. Problem solved.
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Maybe the first rule for any topic regarding politics should be to mark your topic/thread with a specific country code right in the title (e.g. US/GB/DE etc.). Maybe even at the beginning of the title of the topic. Obviously that sounds like a hassle to enforce.
In principle I agree, I very much dislike reading headlines about US politicians doing this and that as if I’m supposed to care. It’s always some sort of circle jerk for one side or the other.
There is always going to be a large US community in any global politics forum. That is not a problem. And other parts of the world (let’s say any country in Europe) are never going to be as vocal about their local politics in comparison. Bringing some sort of self-enforced order to these posts could be nice.
Edit: To clarify, I wasn’t commenting because I’m bitter about a community being dominantly US. I do not browse this community. It matters little to me what happens here. The thing I’m mildly annoyed by is headlines like “Republican/Democrat politician #837 does dumb thing #929” showing up on the front page.
I’m aware we could always block a community. Though I would prefer that would be some niche community like e.g “Missouri politics”. The reason I stumbled upon this thread in the first place was because it was on the front page.
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So if uspolitics has to be uspolitics why not create your whereverwhinybitchesarefromPolitics too, since you want somewhere to post your politics shit? Not sure why you need a broad namespace for your stuff
I’ll speak to the moderators, if we should unlock it for international politics, but right now it’s US moderators and I barely know italy politics or EU politics but am Interested in adding them.
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Then they should get more europeans, why should there only be mods from the US lol.
I can see where you’re coming from, however…Did you message the mods of /c/politics & ask if they might consider changing their display name to more clearly indicate their US focus? It’s not ideal, but the display name is what’s shown when searching for communities or seeing posts from them in local/all feeds, so it at least helps in that regard.
At the same time, as other comments point out, there are a number of other politics communities with a broader focus across other instances, so unlike Reddit, we can have a /c/politics in any number of other instances with different rules and without a US focus. In a weird way, it’s almost better that the /c/politics here is US focused, as it encourages folks to post & discuss general politics (including the US) in other smaller instances.
Although, ultimately, this would come down to whether the admins would prefer such simply named communities to have a wider focus as their name suggests instead of a narrow focus as is happening here, but I haven’t gotten the sense that the admins necessarily want to get that directly involved in community naming & creation tbh.
I think you’re missing the last part of the fully qualified name: “.world”
It’s a difference of interpretation imo. Others here understandably read it as meaning or suggesting an international focus, but others still (such as myself) read it as meaning a general focus (which is itself reinforced by the front page’s own description).
Personally I do agree with OP & others here in preferring non-specific communities like politics or law to be open to international politics & law, but I’m not in a position to make that call. Also as noted, I don’t think the admins are interested in intervening in communities so long as their moderators aren’t abusing their positions nor abandoning their accounts & letting communities go unmoderated.
So lemmy.world should not host content that is specific to the USA?
Does “world” refer to the literal world or the world of lemmy?
There goes pennsylvania@lemmy.world
Sorry guys, gotta leave.
Lemmy.world, an instance that aims to be international (hence the name), seems weird to me.
I never got the impression that this instance specifically aimed to be international. It always felt like the aim was to replace Reddit in whatever way that manifests itself. I never got the impression that every community needed to be equally inclusive of content from all countries.
As for !politics@lemmy.world, I think part of the problem is that changing the rule would result in very little change since
So it may be better to just keep the US users isolate where they are and create a new sub that would just be less dominated by those users.
You can’t even join a different instance to avoid to influx of annoying Redditors polluting the quality of content.
Reddit formed bad online habits in people that DONT need to be brought here. I like it here, but I like it because it’s NOT REDDIT
US people are way too blind to the existence of the outside world. I’m sure they have no idea that Lemmy.World is not in the US. I’m not really sure what could be done about this other than making a new more broad politics community. I’d prefer the generic named community to be the one that is the most broad and then if you wanted only US politics to make a more specific community such as !USPolitics@lemmy.world.
I don’t think it would be out of bounds for instance admins to force such change as they see fit if it makes enough sense.
We all have preferences, but unless you convince the admins to be onboard for moderating communities so that they all follow a specific rule and can’t be localized unless it’s part of the name, I’d say let it go. I am not comfortable with the idea of allowing majority rules to simply take over a community simply because they think they have better use for the name.
Unless non-American politics is being deleted then it is just who the more prolific posters are.
US politics only is in the community rules.
Look at the rules. It IS being deleted in c/politics
That is weird!
Note: didn’t notice that clicking the post heading would take me there until I checked after your reply and I’m still getting my head around the syntax for finding new communities.
Or you know, !worldpolitics could be a thing and you could stop telling other people how to think and behave.
I’m not telling people how to think and behave. That is a weird thing to say in my opinion. I’m sharing my thoughts and feeling. I don’t mind if people disagree or have counter points to make. That is the nature of discussion.
You clearly have an agenda in asking the question. There’s no problem with that, but pretending you don’t is… weird.
I clearly stated my opinion in which I don’t even feel that strongly about. It’s just some thoughts that came to mind. I’m not trying to sneakily conspire to influence things the way I want them to be. If stating how I feel is enough to accomplish this then it must be a pretty good idea.
It annoyed me on reddit as well.
“R/collapse” is just about us collapse, for example
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Many times I’ve seen things about the end of the us To be treated like the end of the world. Some time legislation that would be considered irrelevant in other countries. Some times things about the collapse of us government. Economical issues that would that implied improvement somewhere else are treated as a collapse matter because it would threat us (or west) hegemony.
I will check this /c/
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Is it US politics simply because there are far, far more Americans on there than from any other country (especially English-speaking)… or is it US politics because other threads are blocked and/or deleted?
There’s a rather large distinction there.
We love you Canada, but let’s be real here, there are almost 10x more Americans than there are Canadians, so naturally there are going to be more political stories posted about the country with the much larger population. If non-US posts are deleted, on the other hand, then that’s messed up.
It’s most likely because r/politics on Reddit was that way, and people tend to make subreddit clones on Lemmy.
Right, which I think is the root problem. Not all the subreddit names were great - I would have liked to have seen us try to do better - but I think many were just trying to make the correlation between communities and subreddits as obvious as possible.
The US have a world series for American football/American rugby which only they compete in. America is… errrm interesting.
American football has the Superbowl. The World Series is for baseball, which is very much a global effort. Canada is the only other country that has a team (Toronto Bluejays), but MLB players are recruited from all over the world. Shohei Ohtani is from Japan, Julio Rodriguez, Carlos Santana , and a bunch of other players are from the Dominican Republic, Jose Caballero is from Panama… You get the picture. The MLB World Series is most certainly a series for the best baseball players in the world.
A bit of a delayed response, but I didn’t want to ignore it. I do stand corrected on many of those points. I don’t agree with the last sentence, but I appreciate the accuracy and will upvote.
For something to be a world series, I would hope there would be teams around the world that represents the sport and compete against each other. For example, in football (your soccer), you have a world cup which has countries from around the world competing, and you have competitions like the Europa Champions League (the best clubs in Europe competing). I think one individual from a country doesn’t necessarily indicate country participation.
