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acargitz@lemmy.ca to Canada@lemmy.ca · 2 years ago

Do not say we have free speech in Canada

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Do not say we have free speech in Canada

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acargitz@lemmy.ca to Canada@lemmy.ca · 2 years ago
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It’s been more than a week since MPP Sarah Jama was booted from the Ontario NDP caucus and censured by the Ontario government for daring to name Israel as an Apartheid state. It’s been more than a week since CUPE Ontario President Fred Hahn agreed to
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    We don’t. This isn’t the U.S. with their freedom of speech, where you can say literally anything. We have something called freedom of expression, which does not cover hate speech, and a few other things.

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      The article is not about free speech absolutism. It is about journalism. Hate speech has nothing to do with it.

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        Perhaps the headline should have reflected the actual topic more accurately.

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          Or maybe people should’ve read the article instead of commenting based on the title

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            A) Welcome to the internet.

            B) I don’t actually think it’s unreasonable to think that a headline should clearly indicate the subject of the article - why have headlines otherwise?

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              A) Take the L and don’t do it again.

              B) Welcome to the internet.

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          Take it up with Nora.

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        “You” being who?

        Edit: it was a genuine follow-up question to a statement that I feel could have been interpreted in a couple of ways, and his answer did give some precisions on his position, which is why I wanted to ask, rather than assume. No idea why refusing to judge hastily warrants downvotes lol

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            Freedom of expression doesn’t mean free from consequences.

            It only means you can’t be arrested for what you say.

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                Yeah, actually. They did. Consequences don’t always come from those in the right. Sometimes they come from fanatics and deviants. Consequences and justice are not synonyms.

                You can provide protections from certain unsavory consequences, but those protections will never be perfect. Sometimes terrible things happen to people for expressing themselves. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have the inalienable right to express themselves in the first place.

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                    You seem to be conflating two different issues. You may want to consider just how much mixing of philosophies you’ve been doing. It’s probably led to a lot of frustration and anger in your life.

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      The US doesn’t have freedom of speech either… Source: American.

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        I mean, you do have it codified in your Constitution as its very first amendment. Now, how much is it really protected, in practice…

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      I just want the word “literally” to be misused less. Learn new adverbs, please.

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        You missed that bus 15 years ago, bud

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