I’m stating my opinions just as you are.

Nobody is putting words into your mouth. I’m responding to the words you have said.

I’ve been trying to understand how you could hold such opinions in the face of both facts and your own stated understatings.

Seems willful ignorance is where we landed.

From your other responses elsewhere in the thread it seems this isn’t isolated to just this exchange.

For the record, I do not appreciate your opinion on this as it lacks merit or substance.

If you are unwilling or unable to defend your opinions, a public forum is unlikely to be a good experience for you.

I’d suggest a blog, with the comments turned off.

Do you think anyone (regardless of race) should have received that level of response in that situation ? As with any dispute, both parties can always strive for more, but I try to put myself in the cop’s situation. How long is long enough before you have to pull somebody who is clearly not cooperating from their car? Not following a lawful order during a traffic stop is a misdemeanor, which means you may be exiting your vehicle whether you like it or not.

That’s not an answer to the question, that’s a reiteration of your previous stance.

Do you think anyone (regardless of race) would have received that level of response in that situation ? I am positive racism plays a part in policing. But I didn’t see anything in this that leads me to believe Tyreek’s skin color affected his outcome.

Given that answer i go back to my previous question of :

If you understand racism plays a part in policing, what makes you think this is the exception ?

I’m a white dude and I easily see this happening to me if I did what he did.

You are entitled to your opinion, but the overall statistics disagree with you.

Not in an individual instance sense, but in an overall sense. You might very well have this same thing happen, but it’s statistically much less likely.

I’d personally view that as two opposing viewpoints, either you think he had it coming or you’re sorry it happened.

They are not opposing or mutually exclusive viewpoints. I can be sorry for someone for the outcome they have been dealt based on their own actions. I can be sorry for him but also unsurprised.

Now this is interesting, i wouldn’t consider “they had it coming” to be the same as “I’m unsurprised this happened” , one is very much assigning blame and the other is more neutral.

If you meant the latter, then sure, not mutually exclusive.

“I can be sorry for someone for the outcome they have been dealt based on their own actions.” can easily be interpreted the same way as “I’m sorry he made the officer drag him out of his car but he totally deserved it”.

Yes, I truly feel this way in these circumstances. Perhaps I’m a naive idiot, but I just didn’t sense that he was treated that unfairly given his actions.

The point the article was making wasn’t that he was treated unfairly based on his actions, it was that the treatment he received was different (read: worse) because of his race.

That the treatment he received could be considered unfair for the situation isn’t the point.

A boy and a girl both steal an apple, they both get grounded, the boy is also banned from the shop.

“Well the girl still got grounded” doesn’t negate that the punishment wasn’t equal.

Same as “The boy deserved punishment” doesn’t negate that the punishment wasn’t equal.

If you truly understand that racism is a large problem in all aspects of policing, that isn’t naivety that’s wilful ignorance.

It’s more the latter. I don’t argue that race disparity exists. I’m only arguing that Tyreek did not do any kind of favor to himself in how he handled the situation.

Agreed, but “didn’t do the most optimal thing in a given situation” isn’t the same as “deserved to be dragged out of his car”

Especially in a situation where it is known to be significantly more dangerous, regardless of behaviour, for someone of a more melanin-rich persuasion.

This confusion is easily resolved though, let’s clarify with a couple questions.

Do you think anyone (regardless of race) should have received that level of response in that situation ?

Do you think anyone (regardless of race) would have received that level of response in that situation ?

I’m sorry he got pulled from his car and cuffed, but my reaction to the video was that he had this coming.

I’d personally view that as two opposing viewpoints, either you think he had it coming or you’re sorry it happened.

Blatantly disobeying an officer’s requests and in a way that can lead the officer to feel unsure over his/her safety and perceived control of the situation is going to end poorly.

And this is the crux of the issue, officers feeling unsafe and their level of perceived control is known to have a direct correlation to how reflective your skin is.

That doesn’t even account for the officers with a blatant racial bias.

So you can argue that point, but the threshold for where actions end up in poor outcomes is intrinsically linked to race, any argument you make is going need to account for that or it’s going to be perceived as missing a large chunk of the context.

Which is what is happening here.

This could easily happen to a white person.

That’s subjective but again, let’s clarify :

In these exact same circumstances, you’d expect a white person to be treated in the exact same way ?

I don’t have any studies to hand, but isn’t the disparity between police responses to non-white vs white suspects a given at this point, in the US at least?

But lets look at your argument both ways.

On the one hand you’d be arguing that race disparity in police responses doesn’t exist at all and so wouldn’t apply here.

Or

Race disparity exists, but in this specific situation it doesn’t apply for some reason.

If that’s the case , id be interested in hearing why you think it doesn’t apply in this specific circumstance?

Neither of those sound plausible to me but i could be missing what your actual argument is entirely, in which case, would you mind explaining why it doesn’t fall in to the above categories?

That is a good question, I know where the button is for the website (it’s in the sidebar, in my UI it’s green) but the app im using doesn’t have an obvious button

You don’t need to suspect you can check for yourself, modlog exists.

/r/onetruegod would like to know if you have some time to discuss …well…the aforementioned one true god

The subjectiveness of it being a superior product aside.

Brave is chromium under the hood and therefore contributes to the rendering engine homogeneity that leaves Google in control of web standards.

Iirc they are keeping some support for manifest v2 , for now. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out for them both financially and from a technical upkeep point of view.

I’d guess it doesn’t last long, but haven’t looked at it hard enough to have an informed opinion on it.

That’s also a logical fallacy.

You are conflating lack of effective choice with active support.

In an effectively two party race, where both arguably are supporting a position (through action if not through ideology) there is no option where you aren’t effectively contributing to said position.

Vote either way or not at all , you are contributing to the overall success of one party or the other.

“Our genocide guy is better” is really the only option when there is no other practical choice.

Even voting independent just supports whoever happens to be winning from the two main parties.

What are you proposing is the practical option for people who don’t want to be “in support of parties involved in committing genocide”?

To be clear i have no good answer to this either, just wondering if you do.

Personally, I define a cult as either an NRM (The more common use in the 20th century) or a local sect (the more common use in antiquity)

Sure, but that’s a fairly narrow definition that ignores a large proportion of the actual dictionary definitions.

I am politically motivated not to consider Christianity a cult, because I believe it makes unjust apology for Christianity

A somewhat subjective take that doesn’t really explain how the term cult would imply “unjust apology”

Cults are, politically speaking, groups which have been targeted by the Satanic panic

Not true, by any commonly accepted definition of the word.

edit: the term cults can include groups “targeted by the Satanic panic” but that isn’t a strict definitional requirement.

The fact that Christianity is not a cult

Christianity does in fact meet many of the dictionary definitions of the word “cult”.

You could argue that the normalisation of christianity excludes it from adhering to the definitions that mention “unorthodox” or “small” but those definitions are relatively few.

and that anti-cult religious leaders have not labelled Christianity a cult, is historically important.

How so ?

Other than power and money i mean.

We can’t go using words in a way that implies Christianity is the victim and confuses the history. I object to calling Christianity a cult precisely because I think ill of Christianity.

I can’t find any reference to the word “cult” that, when applied to christianity. would absolve them of the egregious historical shitfuckery perpetrated by and for them.

“News outlet” might be the most generous interpretation I’ve ever seen.

Do you have an example of this ?

Randidly Ghosthound, from the series with the same name.

Github is going in a a different, subjectively more harmful, way.

But it’ll probably be a round for a long while yet.

Actually the shooting at gay night clubs in the states are usually not white Christians

citation ?

(legitimately, i’ve been looking for a useful resource for stats like this)

Are you suggesting that generation-specific vernacular is a sign of poor education?

Your missing the part in the middle where you spend 6 months telling them in no uncertain terms that the thing they are asking is stupid and will not work properly/safely.

Various back and forth emails, a completely “justified” performance review program because of your “falling standards” and several meetings with various managers at different levels of “importance”.

Also the “You’re absolutely correct, ENJOY” is written at the bottom of your resignation letter or told to them directly in your “redundancy” exit interview.

I read your reply as stating that the only outcomes could be “argue and make things worse” or “don’t do that”, a negative and a neutral respectively.

I perhaps read only the words and not the intent, I think we are may be saying the same thing.

In case we are not :

Not engaging actively frees someone up to do literally anything else, which could overall be more positive than just the prevention of the negative.

In addition some people might consider the avoidance of the argument itself to be a positive rather than just maintaining a neutral position.

Choosing not to engage can also be a positive rather than just the prevention of negatives.

Or perhaps decide that interaction with such a person isn’t viable.

There is no requirement to adopt others particular eccentricities or needs, choosing to not engage can also be a valid choice.

There are of course potential downsides to this, but if each person is unwilling to adhere to a common contract of communication then the cessation of communication is a reasonable response.