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  • someguy3@lemmy.worldtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.world•To those in countries where democracy might last another election - **harm reduction is not optional**
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    2 天前

    If left policy was this “if they just did it, it’d be a landslide” that the left keeps telling me, then gore would have been a landslide, right? Nope.

    Obama. That’s what I said, he ran center. and guess what happened??? HE WON. That was the whole point. The only times they win is when they go to the center. Thank you for admitting it. [Slow clap.]

    But when in office he did left things like the ACA: N n n n n n n n n n (how many n’s should I have?) not good enough! This is a perfect example of how nothing will be good enough. Want more? They have to walk before they run.

    Hilary: “I’ll do this”. You: “LIAR”. How do I even respond to this, you’re just shutting out reality at this point. No conversation can be had, so this is my last message. Oh and it doesn’t even matter because that’s what she ran on and that left policy is what lost. That was the whole point.

    Both Hilary and Obama you’re doing mental gymnastics to avoid the point: center wins elections, left loses elections. That was the whole point.

    Biden. That’s how he won. That was the whole point. You’re 3 for 3 on missing the point that center wins and left loses.

    Green energy. you: “RIGHT WING NONSENSE”. Student debt relief. You: “MORE RIGHT WING NONSENSE”. Repeat ad nauseum.

    I was wrong, it wasn’t n n n not good enough. You’re just doing mental gymnastics to avoid the point and then shutting out reality. Ciao.

  • someguy3@lemmy.worldtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.world•To those in countries where democracy might last another election - **harm reduction is not optional**
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    2 天前

    Polls (effectively what they are) are idealized. I remember one person before the election kept saying “polls show people don’t want fracking Dems just need to be against fracking and it’ll be a landslide.” Yeah fucking right, right until the GOP starts shouting “it’ll raise raise gas prices, they’re going to raise gas prices. Prices prices prices, inflation inflation inflation”. Trump won on the economy. When the rubber meets the road, in actual elections, on the national stage, the left policy gets punished and hilariously by the left.

    Oh yeah more on polls. I already covered it: Tell Show them that doing left things gets you voted in. Polls is telling (kinda). Votes is showing. Showing is orders of magnitude more important.

    They only win when they go to the center. Here’s my copy paste because I have this conversation so much.

    Ok let’s go through this chronologically.

    Bill Clinton: After successive Dem losses Bill figured out “it’s the economy stupid”, aka center policy, not leftist policy. Plus when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you generally run from the center. So that’s what he did. And he won.

    Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters! Aka: The left never shows up.

    Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don’t stick your head out. He ran on broad “hope” and “yes we can” and having energy, hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush’s disastrous wars. And he won.

    More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never shows up.

    Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.

    Biden: Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don’t stick your head out left on anything. Not one thing. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. And he won.

    Biden in office: But he did left things anyway. He did green energy, EVs, drug price control, PACT act, Chips act, etc. And what were the results? Lost the House of Representatives for years 3 and 4. Polls showed him losing the election to Trump. He enacted left policy and: The left didn’t show up for midterms, and was not going to show up for the next election.

    Harris: Harris ran on abortion rights, democracy and it was apparent she’d continue green energy. She relied on the left to show up for their rights and for democracy. They couldn’t even do that. Aka the left never shows up. (Btw Bill Clinton was right, it’s the economy stupid. Trump won on the economy.)

    And people are amazed that they don’t run a big left platform? Every time they rely on the left they lose. Every Single Time. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win. Because the center voters actually show up.

    With this history, you’d be an absolute fool to cater to and rely on the left. Because. They. Never. Show. Up.

    So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories first. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Show them it’s safe to take policy chances. Because right now every time they run on left platforms or enact left policies, they lose.